hey all im in the market to buy a synth. i had my heart set on the access virus. i found a second hand one for sale at a good price but its the access virus C not the ti. i was just wondering whats the difference.

as far as I know, only the "integration" part. usb connection, audio interface.

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Originally posted by Pjotr G as far as I know, only the "integration" part. usb connection, audio interface.

no, there are a lot of new features. especially a lot of different synthesis methods: graintable OSC, formant OSC, hypersaw, wavetable. then there is also a much higher polyphony, ...

ah ok tnx. So a virus C won't do for me either

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The effects are now multi timbral as well, not only global - as it was on the C. Major advantage.

Personally, I would get virus C. As a matter of fact, I'm on a lookout for one to compliment my TI. Mainly because of the way TI is just....STOOOPID. Here are my gripes about TI:

- Through like like half dozen previoius versions of OS, the synth still has most of the same problems as before.

- Stuck notes (especially prevalent in multi mode)

- Clicks, pops, digital noise (unwanted)

- No ability to export or save Multis

- Generally unstable synth, quite a few revs of OS still cannot make it stable!!!!

- polyphony numbers are BS, it's all virtualized. with 4 patches in multi, my synth craps out of polyphony, even with all FX turned off. puhleez

Dunno, I think virus C is not tooo much different from TI and aside from few new features (e.g. pseudo-formant capabilty, graintable, yada yada) I think Virus C is a terrific synth and great buy, esp now!

I'm seriously thinking of dumping my Ti and getting two C's instead.

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Yes, if it's at all possible to get a direct comparison, do it. I have a KC and it's just such a solid synth, solid sound, I've never had a single problem with it. If I see a good priced TI I'll pick it up in addition to my current KC, because it does sound interesting, transferring sound via USB, having it on screen like a softsynth etc. Listening to the sound demos, the TI still has that classic Virus sound, it doesn't sound "different enough" for me to consider swapping my KC for one. I'll probably just wait until they bring out their next one. They'll probably have learned a lot of lessons from their first "total integration" effort, plus the sound will have evolved enough to make it worth picking up for me. For me personally polyphony has never been an issue, since I'm running different synths for pads, basses, leads and so on. I don't have one synth playing more than one part at the same time.

It really depends on whether you want the option to bring in the sound via USB as well as all the other new features the TI has. The C will be a lot more affordable and the sounds in that are fantastic as well. A new version of something doesn't make the sound quality of the previous version worse. My JP8080 doesn't have anywhere near as evolved a sound as some of my other synths, but I use it plenty because it's such a classic sound. My TB303 doesn't really have amazingly versatile sound capabilities, but it's great at what it does!

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Originally posted by aNYthing Personally, I would get virus C. As a matter of fact, I'm on a lookout for one to compliment my TI. Mainly because of the way TI is just....STOOOPID. Here are my gripes about TI: - Through like like half dozen previoius versions of OS, the synth still has most of the same problems as before. - Stuck notes (especially prevalent in multi mode)

Seems I'm faring better then you in this regard.

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Originally posted by aNYthing - Clicks, pops, digital noise (unwanted)

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Originally posted by aNYthing - No ability to export or save Multis

In fairness to Access; this is an issue with what the VSTi protocol can do via sysex in relation to the high and low pages memory pages (ie where multi's are stored)

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Originally posted by aNYthing - Generally unstable synth, quite a few revs of OS still cannot make it stable!!!!

I find mine stable enough. as in it dosn't crash.

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Originally posted by aNYthing - polyphony numbers are BS, it's all virtualized. with 4 patches in multi, my synth craps out of polyphony, even with all FX turned off. puhleez

x infinity.

On the Access website / marketing their boasting "about 80 voices under average conditions" which is absolute shite. Fuck knows how they managed to come up with that figure. I use the Virus live; and imagine my joy of having the occasional note et al drop thanks to it's polyphonic capabilities.

Doesn't anybody else realise how utterly crap the polyphony is on it?

Don't buy a Virus for the "wow awesome" polyphony count. Because you won't get it. My SNII pisses all over it.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Dunno, I think virus C is not tooo much different from TI and aside from few new features (e.g. pseudo-formant capabilty, graintable, yada yada) I think Virus C is a terrific synth and great buy, esp now!

^^ If you don't need the additional functionality of a TI; I would also seriously look at getting a C instead.

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Originally posted by aNYthing I'm seriously thinking of dumping my Ti and getting two C's instead.

Or get a Virus C + another board?

--> All in all; pretty much agree with half of what you said; in my mind the TI is one amazingly overrated synth. I'm not in a rush to sell mine; too much reliant on it; but not head over heels in love with it either.

so what synth do you guys think i should get.

what synth are you head over heels with?

Viruses are absolute trance beasts. In my personal opinion, if you're only going to get one synth for making trance, get a Virus.

If you're looking at getting more than one, then it's a case of what sort of sonic characteristics you're looking to meld together. The Virus sound is very phat, but other synths have more definition/ clarity to them. The Micro Q and Nord Lead 3 have a lot more definition, in slightly different ways. The Micro Q has an incredibly ..."bitey" kind of edge to it. Sometimes I'll have the Virus playing an arpeggio, then just double the phat virus sound with a little bit of the Micro Q up the middle, it's a beautiful combination.

The Nord Lead 3 is great for lead sounds (as the name implies) because of it's clarity, I also find it great for really clear trance basses. For some tracks, the warmer virus sound is perfect, for others the clearer Nord Lead 3 sound.

The JP8080 just has a classic trance character to it. I use it for leads and arpeggios, you drop the JP8080 in your track and it just sounds a whole chunk trancier (since it's the main synth used in many many classic trance songs)

The Supernova II is also a great synth. The bass is just divine. It's just so basic and direct and perfect. I haven't been able to find a space for the lead sounds, or pads, or any other SNII sounds really. That could be just my production style though. For me, absolutely worth it just for the basses I can get out of it.

The TB303 is the TB303. It does what it does, no more, no less. Run it through a distortion pedal, turn up the filter resonance and go nuts with the cutoff! These are very pricey for the limited range of applications you can use them for. But if you want that sound, pick one up and you have that sound.

That's pretty much it in terms of trance synths...I use a few of my other synths in some of my tracks, but I wouldn't recommend them as main trance units...ones like the Proteus 2000, Microwave XT, Korg Triton...

The more sonic options you have, and the more you get to know them, the faster you'll be able to locate the perfect sound.

To sum up - Virus first. Then, for me, it'd be a toss up between the Micro Q, JP8080 and Nord Lead 3. They're all useful in their own way. After that I'd put the Supernova II, for the bass. Of course, there are many many synths I don't have! I'm quite keen to pick up an Andromeda at some point. That synth intrigues me.

I heartily recommend the vengeance soundsets for these synths as well, that'll add a bit to the price but they're well worth it.

what do you reckon for making progressive style sounds. someone told me the moog would be great. what do you reckon

actually progressive (and every other style) can be done on every synth. it's not about the gear. you just need to know how to program them..