but I'm really getting sick of hearing DJs (especially bigtime and local) say that using Ableton for DJing is cheating. J00F said on his latest Electronic Grooves "I didn't cheat and use Ableton Live or anything like that, used good old Pioneer CDJ decks." What the fuck... get over your magical fader pushing powers
Spending at least 10 minutes on warping a track, then effecting/editing it to hell just somehow does not sound like cheating in my opinion.
Sep-17-2007 23:29
Ted Promo
NWO WOLFPACK INSANE
Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Can this be my goal??!
We all know where this thread could go.
But yeah, I'm fucking tired of it too. Though I will say DJ Enferno can do some impressive live remixing on mostly analog equipment.
Sep-17-2007 23:55
sleepydragon
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: doncaster, england
Re: Not to stir up some more heat...
quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
Spending at least 10 minutes on warping a track, then effecting/editing it to hell just somehow does not sound like cheating in my opinion.
its all done before a gig though then u just push play i think thats what alot of djs are doing with it and nothing else thats the problem people have with it.
Originally posted by nefardec
huh? it takes like 10 seconds...
my thoughts + what sleepydragon said
Furthermore, I think mixing with Ableton is boring as hell
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Sep-18-2007 12:40
thoughtlessjex
Yakkity Yak
Registered: May 2004
Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina
Well, there's no doubt that ableton makes mixing a hell of a lot easier to the point where all one need do is push play. However, I agree that DJs saying this is a bad thing is complete and utter bullshit. The job of a DJ is not to brag about how skilled they are at beatmatching and mixing, it is to provide a continuous, danceable rhythm. This possible in Ableton, even easy, making it a better tool for DJs than decks and CDJs. So Luddite DJs should really stop acting cool because they "don't cheat."
For the record, I'm not saying that people should only use Ableton. Use decks if you want, but don't get all high and mighty while you do it.
reality: Ableton beatmatches for you, you still have to do all of your own fading and eqing etc...everything and anything a dj using decks would do, but you CAN do more because in theory you have an infinite number of decks and god knows how much more cooler effects and techniques. its
up to the user to elaborate and use ableton to his advantage.
myth: you cant cheat with CDJs
reality: yes you can! the beat detection in the pioneer cdj1000s is so good that all you have to do is move the pitch slider up just enough to change it to the next bpm and do the same with the other deck and boom instantly synced tempo (and the more precise the decimal the better i.e. +8,+10,+16). as long as you are playing direct from the master mp3s (beatport etc) it will sync up perfectly 98% of the time. vinyl rips dont work though.
in summation, ableton and cdjs are at the same level of "cheatability" if you ask me.
i've used them both and will use them both again. the only thing that i wouldn't do and only b/c i am a nobody and hence forth feel like i should pay my dues is warping tracks. but i mean honestly, people like halliwell and etc that warp tracks should be allowed. they've been around long enough, who cares.
