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SuperJimbo
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OpenSocial > Why Google Turned Into a Social Butterfly

Of interest, perhaps....



New York Times
Why Google Turned Into a Social Butterfly
By RANDALL STROSS
Published: November 4, 2007


FACEBOOK is an island. A most convivial island, with one’s classmates, friends, workmates and family members close at hand. An island that since May has been enlivened with entertaining fauna and flora in the form of minisoftware applications. But it’s still an island.

Suppose, however, that you could leave the island compound of a social networking site and take your network of friends, and friends of friends, anywhere on the Web? This is what makes Google’s announcement last week of a new alliance of companies so enticing — the possibility that social networking will become ubiquitous.

Google’s vision — “Social Will Be Everywhere” — is more compelling than anything Facebook could possibly devise. Who wouldn’t prefer the unlimited freedom to take one’s own trusted circle anywhere on the Web, as opposed to the cramped confines of island life?

And when has an island economy, even a well-provisioned one, ever matched the offerings of the entire Web? (Just ask AOL.)

A long, long time ago — last Monday, that is — Facebook seemed a much larger land mass than it ever actually was. That was when it was celebrating its ability to command a generous $15 billion valuation while pocketing a $240 million investment from Microsoft. Speculation abounded that when Facebook unveiled its new advertising platform this Tuesday, the company would soon have the ability to print money, offering up to advertisers audiences with any desired characteristics, based on the personal information that Facebook residents disclose on their profiles.

At that point, Facebook and other social networking sites appeared to be the only companies in a position to instill fear in Google. The sites tend to be the place where many members head first when they go online, and many end up staying right there. The sites also hamper Google’s ability to meet its grand charter of organizing the world’s information and making it available to all; the Google search crawler is not allowed to land on most social networking islands and gather data about what island residents are saying and doing.

Google has a social networking site of its own, Orkut, named after Orkut Buyukkokten, a Google engineer; it was introduced in January 2004. Measured in worldwide page views, it is in sixth place, with about 25 million unique visitors in September, according to comScore. But it remains unknown to most Americans: more than half of its members live in Brazil. Google has no idea how to use the popularity of a Portuguese-language site in one hemisphere to create a success closer to home in Mountain View, Calif. (Neither do I.)

In a bravura switch of strategy, Google left its own island to embrace open standards that belong to no one company. Its initiative, which it calls OpenSocial, is an appeal to software developers and Web sites to cooperate in adopting a single set of software standards for the little software widgets that can add a social-networking layer to all Web sites. Agreement on a standard would save users from the aggravation of joining multiple networks and save developers from the aggravation of writing code that works only with specific sites. Unlike Facebook’s programming requirements, Google’s use nonproprietary programming languages.

The decision by MySpace, the No. 1 social networking site in the world, with more than 100 million unique visitors in September, to join OpenSocial gives Google an impressive assembly of social networking partners. The group includes Bebo, the No. 1 networking site in Britain, as well as SixApart, Hi5, Friendster, LinkedIn and Ning — and Orkut, of course. Google also signed up some other participants, like Salesforce.com, that are not social networking sites but which welcome social widgets. If Facebook chooses to remain a holdout, it will not be as the head of a countercoalition but as a cranky recluse.

Google’s self-interest is plain enough: it does not want Web users to disappear from its radar when they head off to proprietary social networking islands. Incidentally, if software based on OpenSocial specifications spreads throughout the Web, and if users are permitted to assume more control over how their personal information is used and sold, it is possible to imagine a day when all sites on the Web are equipped to utilize one’s social network, regardless of where it originated. These are not small if’s, of course, but it is also possible to imagine members receiving feeds about what friends are doing and updating others about their own activities while roving far from the island. Why spend time on a social networking site if its functionality can be made portable?

Usually, coalitions are collections of also-rans, trying to challenge the industry leader. Why would MySpace, owned by the News Corporation, elect to throw its considerable influence behind OpenSocial? In the future, its primary competitor might not be Facebook, now No. 2, nor any other island-state, but rather the entire Web, endowed with social-network awareness based on open standards. So far, every time the Web has matched up against a proprietary alternative, the Web has prevailed.

I spoke early last week with Joe Kraus, Google’s director of product management, who oversees OpenSocial. The long-term vision, he said, was to enable social networks to be portable: “You want your friends to go with you — you don’t want them to be locked up.”

What would be possible if social networking were freed from social network sites? Mr. Kraus offered an illustration: “Imagine how much better Craigslist would be if your friends were with you, and friends of friends,” permitting one to hone in on listings posted by those in one’s most trusted group. He said the ability to add a layer of social relationships to a site like Craigslist “takes an impersonal site and makes it personal.”

Indeed, it is an intriguing example of what’s possible, but the fact that he used a hypothetical one — Craigslist has not joined OpenSocial — suggests how early it is in Google’s effort to spread “social” everywhere.

The more that one’s personal information is used around the Web, of course, the more opportunity for misuse. When I asked Mr. Kraus why Google had not prepared its own Web sites to show off the capabilities of OpenSocial, he said that the company was moving with deliberate care to make sure that privacy protections were securely in place. “Trust builds up over a very long time,” he said, “and can be lost very quickly.”

Randall Stross is an author based in Silicon Valley and a professor of business at San Jose State University. E-mail: [email protected].

Old Post Nov-04-2007 21:06  Canada
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Definitely an interesting idea... cutting the inexorable tie to whatever crummy flavour-of-the-year social networking site happens to be might even convince some of the holdouts such as myself to participate.

One of the things this could do is enable the creation of slimmed-down, bare-bones services that represent nothing but the network itself. One could conceivably publish the information necessary to be "found", but lock down or at least organize the chaotic communication model that current networks seem to use, and perhaps be able to browse the network without all the horrible cruft that's in a typical Facebook/Myspace page.

Only time will tell if this will actually happen.


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Old Post Nov-04-2007 22:47  Canada
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Cosmic Fur
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quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
typical Facebook/Myspace page.


There was a time when what you said only applied to Myspace, but Facebook has been stricken with the same affliction. People are adding SO MUCH useless fucking apps. Some profiles take ages to load (which I can more or less live with), but the worst is finding people's walls buried between a gazillion of stupid apps. Bahh.


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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
There was a time when what you said only applied to Myspace, but Facebook has been stricken with the same affliction. People are adding SO MUCH useless fucking apps. Some profiles take ages to load (which I can more or less live with), but the worst is finding people's walls buried between a gazillion of stupid apps. Bahh.


If you have Firefox and the Greasemonkey Firefox Add-on, you can block the custom apps, as well as the annoying app invites. Keep in mind the page has to completely load before Greasemonkey can parse and remove all the unwanted stuff. (It's execution time is however quite negligible, depending on the speed of your system of course.)


Destroy Facebook Profile Apps:
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11992

Deletes App Boxes from profiles, along with other third party app junk.

and

Auto-Block Facebook Apps 1.1:
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12393

This script will block app invites sent to you by friends. After the facebook profile page is loaded, it finds all the applications that your friends have invited you to and blocks them. Do not worry though, you can go to http://facebook.com/privacy.php?view=platform&tab=all and unblock them.


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Old Post Nov-05-2007 06:52  Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by Surreal JRS
If you have Firefox and the Greasemonkey Firefox Add-on, you can block the custom apps, as well as the annoying app invites. Keep in mind the page has to completely load before Greasemonkey can parse and remove all the unwanted stuff. (It's execution time is however quite negligible, depending on the speed of your system of course.)


Destroy Facebook Profile Apps:
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11992

Deletes App Boxes from profiles, along with other third party app junk.

and

Auto-Block Facebook Apps 1.1:
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12393

This script will block app invites sent to you by friends. After the facebook profile page is loaded, it finds all the applications that your friends have invited you to and blocks them. Do not worry though, you can go to http://facebook.com/privacy.php?view=platform&tab=all and unblock them.




^^^ thanks for the links. i've already been manually blocking most of the apps that load as soon as they surface, so when i hit people's profile pages, it only shows the essential stuff.


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interesting.

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Swamper
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It's a good idea but still remains a massive uphill battle...

Facebook managed to do what others (to this point) thought was impossible - that is - to get the average joe/jane onto a social networking site. Up to that point many of those (who were on MSN) opted for MSN profiles for their photos and Messenger status updates for their (often trivial) news updates. Once the technophiles got on fb it didn't take long before a tipping point was reached and everyone else flooded in. Combine that with guaranteed new signups from schools every September and you have a really solid outlook for them - assuming all these stupid apps don't ruin it.


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agreed Swamper.


Surreal JRS - thanks for the links. Just what I was looking for.


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I'm not entirely clear on what Google is trying to do, can someone explain it a bit better?


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Cosmic Fur
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Re: OpenSocial > Why Google Turned Into a Social Butterfly

On second thought, this statement makes me feel iffy about the whole idea:

quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
Google’s self-interest is plain enough: it does not want Web users to disappear from its radar when they head off to proprietary social networking islands.


I can't help but feel that Google is trying to index my life more and more behind scenes. For some reason I feel more comfortable giving all my info to Facebook than to Google. Something about the fact that they created this thing JUST to be able to datamine everyone's personal info doesn't sit right with me.

Google started as this innocent-looking search engine, but now it's grown into some mega-mind corporation whose intents aren't quite so simple anymore.


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SuperJimbo
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Re: Re: OpenSocial > Why Google Turned Into a Social Butterfly

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
TA started as this innocent-looking online community, but now it's grown into some mega-mind corporation run by a sycophant named swamper whose intents aren't quite so simple anymore. Muhahahahaha.


Fixed.

Old Post Nov-06-2007 06:23  Canada
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