Be careful what you wish for.

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Originally posted by Shakka Be careful what you wish for.

true. While I'm a democrat, i fear some of the overly populist shit that might result with dems controlling congress with a supermajority. Specifically, I am concerned about the potential for anti-business regulations. With that said, I'm optomistic the government will finally push through some real legislation giving incentives for alternative energy initiatives.

glee

first Murphy won the symbolic house seat in a district with significantly more republican voters.

Sen. John Cornyn already said it was going to be real hard to stop dems from reaching 60 in the midterms. even when its usually the party in power that looses seats

it was only a matter of time but to happen like this with Specter has to rattle republican cages that have already been rattled plenty.

the economy will recover, regardless of Obama's initiatives, but dems will still get the credit. come midterms republicans will be an afterthought

its the new world order and proof positive the age of reagan is over. lets hope they dont fuck it up like the last guy

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Originally posted by josh4 its the new world order

Oh, now you've done it.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Oh, now you've done it.

i for one welcome our new overlords

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Originally posted by josh4 it was only a matter of time but to happen like this with Specter has to rattle republican cages that have already been rattled plenty. the economy will recover, regardless of Obama's initiatives, but dems will still get the credit. come midterms republicans will be an afterthought its the new world order and proof positive the age of reagan is over. lets hope they dont fuck it up like the last guy

haha... fuck Specter. He is a excellent example of political expediency and what he's doing is an obvious play at self preservation. It is so transparent, it's pathetic. Look at what he said ONLY 5 WEEKS AGO:

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I am staying a Republican because I think I have an important role, a more important role, to play there. The United States very desperately needs a two-party system. That’s the basis of politics in America. I’m afraid we are becoming a one-party system, with Republicans becoming just a regional party with so little representation of the northeast or in the middle atlantic. I think as a governmental matter, it is very important to have a check and balance. That’s a very important principle in the operation of our government. In the constitution on Separation of powers.

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/200...vowed-a-switch/

He saw he was down 21 points to Toomey, tried to petition for an open primary in hopes of Democrats saving him (which wasn't an option under PA law), and so he bailed like a classic politician who will throw anyone under the bus to stay in power.

Shakka is right... careful what you wish for. When the Dems overreach, they are going to own all consequences. New world order...lol. Politics and those in power change back and forth in cycles. Don't be too sure the midterms will be an embarrassment for the GOP. You already have a Pew research poll showing Obama is the most polarizing president in history (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1178/po...proval-historic)... but an oversaturation of slobbering media coverage, with 50% of network news being devoted to Obama making him more covered than Clinton and Bush were COMBINED (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...ast-hours-obama), we aren't getting the true pulse of Americans' feelings.

The argument of course is that people who identify themselves as Republicans has shrunk in numbers, therefore independants should be the true measure of Obama's popularity. Yet, his support among independants dropped 10% last month and his disapproval rating doubled from 14% to 28%. Source----> http://people-press.org/report/498/obama-approval-slips

The slobbering media just keeps deluding itself and the public... several polls show Republicans gaining against Democrats on the generic Congressional ballot. Source--->
http://www.pollingreport.com/2010.htm

GOP numbers still suck, yes... but don't get too excited. Because there is no real leadership at the forefront yet, the polling data is more of an idication of the public's recoil against the partisan president and Congress that claim to be unifiers.

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Originally posted by The17sss haha... fuck Specter. He is a excellent example of political expediency and what he's doing is an obvious play at self preservation.

So, uh, that's not what politics are all about in the first place?

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He basically said he was doing it because he didn't think he could get re-elected as a Republican, so you have to ask yourself--is it because he wants to keep the power or because he thinks the right has drifted too far? Maybe some of both, but clearly a large part of it is simply because he can't live with the idea of losing, whether or not he really has his constituents' best interests at heart.

Considering he voted down the union bill a few weeks ago I'm curious if he'll be pressured to tow the party line now and flip flop in favor of it. Pennsylvania is a heavy union state.

Why do guys like this keep hanging on? The guy is almost 80, adn a 5 time senator.

Retire for fuck sakes!

Why the need to pull these stunts just to stay in power like this? Sure, he might say he's doig it for country or his constituents, but geez, like someone else have a go at it.

He wrote part of the warren commission ffs!!

Take your cushy government pension and retire. I hear property is cheap now!

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Originally posted by pmoisse Why the need to pull these stunts just to stay in power like this?

Let's say you think you're about to get fired from your job. Would you do whatever you could to put yourself in a better position to keep your job? why do we expect senators to act differently?

the man's a fuckin' politician, of course everything he does is going to be for political reasons! His party affiliation is not the relevant issue; it's whether he's an effective senator. If he is ineffective, then the people of pennsylvania will have their opportunity to fire him.

People who are outraged about him changing his party affiliation are just as bi-partisan and political as he is. At the end of the day, the real difference is who is funding his campaign. Sure, he will get some dems that wouldn't have voted for him otherwise. At the same time, however, he is losing some republicans who would have voted for him had he still a republican. Nevertheless, if a better candidate runs against him he will lose the election, whether it be in the primary or the general election. This really isn't a big deal.

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Originally posted by The17sss The argument of course is that people who identify themselves as Republicans has shrunk in numbers

this is all that matters. personal reasons, self preservation, its not here nor there. the dynamics are changing, attitudes are changing, that is what this stems from

if republicans want to remain viable they have to embrace a more open-arms policy and be more welcoming of gays and immigrants

which of course will never happen

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"You know, either you’re with us or against us. It’s not understanding that political diversity makes a party stronger." Olympia J. Snowe of Maine http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/balance...big-tent-g.html