Heck, in Venezuela hardly anyone has guns :sarcazm: ... I suppose you want to say that Chavez hired those two people to terrorize the population. Thats what Alex Jones would say though.

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Just goes to prove what everybody knows: NOBODY in the world likes students!

Seriously tho, I've seen the reports and noted a few things...

Firstly, Chavez can only be blamed for these attacks were carried out by the state. If not, then they are merely criminal acts which happen in every country in the world, and can't really be used as a criticism of Chavez

Secondly, how can a "pro-democracy group" (as you describe them) be protesting against a planned referendum? I think that all constitutional changes need to be ratified by referendums in Venezuela (and if not, that is certainly Chavez's policy) so why don't they put their efforts into campaigning for a "no" vote rather than campaigning against the referendum itself

Thirdly, they are students (not that that in itself is an excuse to shoot them!) who most likely represent the upper classes and therefore the Venezuelan elitist opposition, so they aren't exactly representative of the majority of Venezuelans

The people love him.

Much different a situation than over here in America, eh?

Maybe because we're trapped and helpless as human beings, we wish to see everyone else just the same to make us feel better?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Firstly, Chavez can only be blamed for these attacks were carried out by the state. If not, then they are merely criminal acts which happen in every country in the world, and can't really be used as a criticism of Chavez Secondly, how can a "pro-democracy group" (as you describe them) be protesting against a planned referendum? I think that all constitutional changes need to be ratified by referendums in Venezuela (and if not, that is certainly Chavez's policy) so why don't they put their efforts into campaigning for a "no" vote rather than campaigning against the referendum itself Thirdly, they are students (not that that in itself is an excuse to shoot them!) who most likely represent the upper classes and therefore the Venezuelan elitist opposition

LOL @ thread title

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Maybe because we're trapped and helpless as human beings

Not really, that's a choice we've collectively made at this point in human history. Weakness, irresposibility, immorality, and degeneracy together perpetuate this chosen state of existance. Change is hard, especially when it's transformational in nature, but a lot less hard on an individual level. It's still generally quite amusing to see people shift blame for the consequences of their lack of resonsibility, complacency, and inaction on some arbitrary externality.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

There's always two sides to a story isn't there?

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According to eyewitness reports from Hands Off Venezuela members, violence broke out yesterday in Caracas when opposition students arrived back from a peaceful demonstration against the proposed constitutional reforms. Apparently frustrated by the lack of violence, a group of about 250 of the opposition students (many from other universities) went straight to the Central University of Venezuela (UCV) to the School of Social Work which is a stronghold of revolutionary students inside UCV. There, a group of revolutionary students was campaigning for a yes vote in the referendum. They had an assembly for students/teachers/non-teaching staff in the morning and were putting up posters and giving out leaflets. They were then attacked by the opposition students who surrounded the School. Molotov cocktails and stones were thrown, the toilets were destroyed, the door of the Students Centre (Bolivarian dominated) was burned down, and around 150 people (students, teachers and non-teaching staff) were trapped inside the building for several hours, with the violent opposition students trying to force their way into the building to lynch them.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2818

Where can I buy this Hugo Chavez watch that these thread titles keep talking about?

Two threads and no watches?!?!?

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Originally posted by pmoisse Where can I buy this Hugo Chavez watch that these thread titles keep talking about? Two threads and no watches?!?!?

Excellent, thank you

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Originally posted by Capitalizt

How do you feel now, knowing the truth, that in fact it was the opposition that caused this riot?