how the fuck do we get out of this mess ? No real military solution exists here. The only way out is through hard political negotiations.

Interesting and very grim documentary.

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Originally posted by Omega_M how the fuck do we get out of this mess ? No real military solution exists here. The only way out is through hard political negotiations. Interesting and very grim documentary.

Yep. Really showed the dynamics of the factional rivalries over there.

Sunni's fighting shiites, shiites and sunnis fighting amongst themselves, oh, and top it off, both are fighting the americans and iraqi forces. Iran is supporting the shiites, while saudi arabia is supporting the sunnis. And we America, have dug ourselves right smack in the middle of it, and we don't know dog shit about the dynamics of a region on the other side of world. What the fuck are we doing over there?

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Originally posted by Omega_M how the fuck do we get out of this mess ? No real military solution exists here. The only way out is through hard political negotiations. Interesting and very grim documentary.

There is no political solution because neither side is well defined or willing enough to listen and accept some principles. America doesn't negotiate as it sees itself as a superpower and jihadis and iraqi nationalists know better than to negotiate. Basically it is a war of attrition and that's not a war americans are used to as they have always enjoyed technical and tactical advantage in their wars of choice.


One step or the only honoroble way out is to vote Ron Paul or someone similar if it comes that way , but more importantly dump and put on trial all the neocons and liberal imperialists that rule Washington now and their allies as well as certain lobbies and media groups that propagate war propaganda for their narrow ethnic, economic and ideological agenda. These are the people that put America in unwinnable wars based on false logic and for elitist interest and they literally sow death and destruction everywhere they go. And before you go about evil terrorists , just remember that they cooperate with them if they think it suits them and more often than not their interests are parallel with islamic fundamentalists and then remember how they used 9/11 disaster for their own ends by cynically exploiting it.

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Originally posted by erdega Basically it is a war of attrition and that's not a war americans are used to

what is war if it's not about attrition? stupid.

maybe thats the fucking problem. you don't believe in this war enough to take it seriously. the men that chose to fight it and continue to make attrition on the other side take it more seriously than anyone, and thats just something you can't get your mind around...you and everyone else against this war. who knows?

who cares, the war in Iraq will be over when the Iraqis say we can leave. no sooner, and don't try and fool yourself to think otherwise.

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Originally posted by Q5echo what is war if it's not about attrition? stupid. maybe thats the fucking problem. you don't believe in this war enough to take it seriously. the men that chose to fight it and continue to make attrition on the other side take it more seriously than anyone, and thats just something you can't get your mind around...you and everyone else against this war. who knows? who cares, the war in Iraq will be over when the Iraqis say we can leave. no sooner, and don't try and fool yourself to think otherwise.

The Iraqis really never invited us over, so what's your point?

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Originally posted by Krypton The Iraqis really never invited us over, so what's your point?

Maybe, but we can't exactly leave right now or all the people who have died over there will have died for nothing

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Originally posted by XaNaX Maybe, but we can't exactly leave right now or all the people who have died over there will have died for nothing

I don't think our soldiers trained to be policemen...

We took out Saddam, now we need to get the fuck out. It's not our country to play with, never was. Let THEM sort their differences out by themselves just as we have sorted ours out here in the US by ourselves. What did Bush expect would happen when the glue holding the fragments of Iraq together was broken? And when the utter incompetence of the bush/cheney administration is demonstrated, their apologists call it "bush derangement syndrome". I guess the majority of this country is bush deranged, along with the multitude of people against the wars started and sought after by the US administration.

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Originally posted by Q5echo what is war if it's not about attrition? stupid. maybe thats the fucking problem. you don't believe in this war enough to take it seriously. the men that chose to fight it and continue to make attrition on the other side take it more seriously than anyone, and thats just something you can't get your mind around...you and everyone else against this war. who knows? who cares, the war in Iraq will be over when the Iraqis say we can leave. no sooner, and don't try and fool yourself to think otherwise.

hey my little neocon friend, America has only fought offensive wars , wars based on choice and outright lies for the benefits of the war and israeli lobby for the past 20 at least. One time they got attacked , they ended up barely putting any ground troops and of course people who organised that are still alive and kicking

American wars are definitelly not wars of attrition since they are all offensive and the only reason why iraq war unpopular is because of that attrition as they are forced to defend the occupation. During American aggression on Serbia, they bombed 78 days never entering the the ground, in Iraq they only went in after a decade of sanctions with an almost non existant iraqi army

And I believe that neocons aren't taking any of this seriously because their sole hold to power, the propaganda and us army is getting more exposed every day and it's only a matter of time until people start turning on them . Mind you I think they are calculated extremists who will sacrifice their own people including their army in order to hold on to power for a bit longer

As for iraq, it's quiet desperate what you say , no one got asked to come into Iraq in the first place and it was based on pure lies. When
US army is dispatched from Iraq finally it will be because that army is near collapse, american economy is under collapse and in debt or some patriotic american has decided to hold neocons and their supporters and allies to account.