what makes you think they are better?

they have application where ambient noise is high, but normal off ear headphones are better for studio use imo.

1. in ear monitors form a seal in your ear canal, so you have the problem of the "microphone effect" where you can hear yourself breathing, your heart beating and even the slightest tap on the cord.

2. in ear monitors are so close to your ear drum, if you get a spike (eg. turning your computer on) theres a good chance your ears are gonna get raped.

3. the drivers are not big enough to give as accurate sound, but use the dynamics of your ear canal to "make up for it".

Unless you're producing in the middle of an oil refinery, I would stay with normal headphones.

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i was thinking that they might be better because i live in an apartment complex right next to the main street in the town and the college campus, so sometimes it can get kind of loud. but i guess you are saying that unless there is a large amount of noise, it would be better to get regular phones?

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Bump.

I'm considering a pair of Etymotic ER-4Bs for monitoring. Just look at the response curve:

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCo...0&graphID[]=459

Not as good as a real pair of monitors, but they're certainly a lot easier (no acoustics) and quieter (no pissed off neighbors). They're the only headphone company that I've seen to measure their frequency response with +/- like studio monitors. The 4Bs can do 20hz - 16hz +/- 4db.

At $200, a pair costs 1/10 the amount I budgeted for a pair of Mackies and room treatment.

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Last edited by alanzo on Jan-01-2008 at 19:39

Headphones are better than ear plugs
Earplugs dont give as much warmth as far as i hear
So you will probably make mixes with too little base in it as a result
And plugs will hurt your ear after a while
And much worse than headphones already do after wearing them for some hours

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I think the poblem is the opposite of what you said passion, earbuds usually have too much warmth (frequencies around 200-300 Hz) so you cut those frequencies to compensate. You can get used to them, and produce a good mix on them - I did for 12 months - but they aren't as good as headphones IMO.

My sennheiser earbuds have a very similar sound to the Akg K240s that I bought, so the frequency response isn't bad. I would be emore concerned about hearing damage from having something right in your ear... That can get uncomfortable after a while, and I just can't see the point of them unless you hae them in a really loud environment; the K240s are give more than enough isolation for most things.

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Originally posted by kitphillips I think the poblem is the opposite of what you said passion, earbuds usually have too much warmth (frequencies around 200-300 Hz) so you cut those frequencies to compensate.

The frequency response on the ones I'm thinking about getting is almost perfectly flat up to 1khz.

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCo...0&graphID[]=459

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Yeh it'll say that, and it might even be true, but once you put it in your ear, I think that you get more bass frequencies because of the microphonic effect or whatever its called. Its like if you stick your fingers in your ear and talk.

Thats another big issue, at least with mine, you can't sing while using them because your voice will seem too loud. But they aren't a bad option, I just think maybe real headphones would be better. Earbuds are really good for the bus tho

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Originally posted by alanzo The frequency response on the ones I'm thinking about getting is almost perfectly flat up to 1khz.

Totally irrelevant man. In ear monitors are so subject to 0.1mm changes in positioning that you have no hope of ensuring consistent monitoring. You won't know what I'm talking about until you try them. Also, the driver within the headphone actually can't output at those specs. It uses the seal and the shape of your ear canal to do so. In a way, you could think of this as being like porting in monitors - "artificial" frequency changes.

Anyway, for DJing, these are good because they can save your hearing. For producing, they are shit. Also, you shouldn't compare headphones to proper monitors dude, they're in a totally different league. They are also annoying as batshit to have stuck in your ears. These are not like normal ear buds, they form a VERY tight seal on your ear, and you will feel a kind of vacuum in there.

If you NEED headphones with good isolation, get Sennheiser HD280s. Headphones are never a replacement for monitors.

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I suppose you're right...

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Hey how would you use them for DJing? One in and one out? Wouldn't that get uncomfortable?

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Originally posted by kitphillips Hey how would you use them for DJing? One in and one out? Wouldn't that get uncomfortable?

The idea is that you just leave them in all the time

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