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guerra-monstru
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Be Cool! US ranks last in Healthcare

Congratulation American's your healthcare is the worse out of the top 19 industrialized nations'.

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Tue Jan 8, 2:13 PM ET

France is tops, and the United States dead last, in providing timely and effective healthcare to its citizens, according to a survey Tuesday of preventable deaths in 19 industrialized countries.

The study by the Commonwealth Fund and published in the January/February issue of the journal Health Affairs measured developed countries' effectiveness at providing timely and effective healthcare.

The study, entitled "Measuring the Health of Nations: Updating an Earlier Analysis," was written by researchers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. It looked at death rates in subjects younger than 75 that could have been prevented by timely and effective medical care.

The researchers found that while most countries surveyed saw preventable deaths decline by an average of 16 percent, the United States saw only a four percent dip.

The non-profit Commonwealth Fund, which financed the study, expressed alarm at the findings.

"It is startling to see the US falling even farther behind on this crucial indicator of health system performance," said Commonwealth Fund Senior Vice President Cathy Schoen, who noted that "other countries are reducing these preventable deaths more rapidly, yet spending far less."

The 19 countries, in order of best to worst, were: France, Japan, Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Some countries showed dramatic improvement in the periods studied -- 1997 and 1998 and again between 2002 and 2003 -- outpacing the United States, which showed only slight improvement.

White the United States ranked 15th of 19 between 1997-98, by 2002-03 it had fallen to last place.

"It is notable that all countries have improved substantially except the US," said Ellen Nolte, lead author of the study.

Had the United States performed as well as any of the top three industrialized countries, there would have been 101,000 fewer deaths per year, the researchers said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108...uDKexfOGOs0NUE

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Here is the fixed link plus some more data:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008010...1uDKexfOGOs0NUE


http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...m?doc_id=640980



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Sorry dude, but simple bar graphs can't portray an entire medical system, or compare it to others. Methods of reporting, population demographics, inborn disease and patient characteristics all play a role. If it makes people feel better to say that the US health system sucks, good for them. But these reports continue to be analogous to posting a chart that says Stephen Hawking can't jump as high as Michael Jordan. Without context and understanding there is no usable information.

Again though, carry on with the disdain for the American healthcare system. I guess I hope you never get sick if it's really that bad.

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Sorry dude, but simple bar graphs can't portray an entire medical system, or compare it to others. Methods of reporting, population demographics, inborn disease and patient characteristics all play a role. If it makes people feel better to say that the US health system sucks, good for them. But these reports continue to be analogous to posting a chart that says Stephen Hawking can't jump as high as Michael Jordan. Without context and understanding there is no usable information.

Again though, carry on with the disdain for the American healthcare system. I guess I hope you never get sick if it's really that bad.


Cheers mate, my point was that publicly funded healthcare leads to healthier populations and it's fairer, you can have private providers though like in most of Europe, I don't want a system like the US where they spend double the amount per head of any other nation and get worse results and the doctors become doctors to make a fortune and not care about the patients.
It is a fact that the majority of American doctors have a messed up mentality not all but many

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Cheers mate, my point was that publicly funded healthcare leads to healthier populations and it's fairer, you can have private providers though like in most of Europe, I don't want a system like the US where they spend double the amount per head of any other nation and get worse results and the doctors become doctors to make a fortune and not care about the patients.
It is a fact that the majority of American doctors have a messed up mentality not all but many


Please, for the love of God, don't blame doctors for why the US health care system is screwed up.

They had a part in it in the 50's and 60's, but you can't hold today's doctors accountable for previous physicians, bad legislation, unhealthy lifestyles and misplaced priorities.

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I'm one who is angry we have money for aircraft carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, but not enough to take care of just the basic necessities of our own people. I'm disgusted...

My own personal circumstance might influence that, as I can't get sick because I can't afford health insurance, nor can I rely on anything but student loans and shitty ass scholarships to go to post-secondary schools...

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Say what you what about socialized medicine but at least we have health insurance and we like it that way.


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quote:
Originally posted by NeoPhono
Please, for the love of God, don't blame doctors for why the US health care system is screwed up.

They had a part in it in the 50's and 60's, but you can't hold today's doctors accountable for previous physicians, bad legislation, unhealthy lifestyles and misplaced priorities.


you just don't get it do you?

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you just don't get it do you?


LOL, no...please explain.

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LOL, no...please explain.

I just can't it pains me to explain this.

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