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SidMl
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: NYC
Labels

I'm sorry, I still don't don't understand what what goes on behind behind a "label."

Could some of the producers here please enlighten me? Why is a "label" important?

From Santana - Just let the music speak:

"Beat - Everything in life is rhythm
life to me is just a melody
everybody good in time
hey, you don't really need a label,
if it's you own table
and it works to you own heart
just let the music speak for the self"


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Old Post Jan-27-2008 01:58  Zambia
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DJ Eco
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Dirty Jersey

Well, the music you and everyone hear is only as a result of labels and what they do. Traditionally, a label is supposed to pick out what would consider "artists to watch." Whether two months or two years pass, they are supposed to make sure that artist gets better and better until the artist can put out consistent hits, which would be a good investment on their part. The electronic dance music labels are a little less hands-on than rock or pop or rap labels, where they are trying to sculpt an image around the artist (EDM scene just wants them to come up with something catchy or bound for hit-ness).... The first labels to sign Deadmau5 (when he wasn't famous) did a good job at this. Flashover and its relationship to Breakfast did a good job at this as well. They took relatively unknown artists, and saw something in them that would lead to big tunes in the future. That is the model of what a good label does. Armada does this to a good extent too, however, I think it's way too big to foster a consistent relationship with the artists that my previous example of Flashover does. For example, there's a million smaller producers on Armada and its sublabels, whereas Flashover has maybe a dozen or so. However, thanks for Flashover and their consistent relationship with the artists, a 19 year old from Maryland, Breakfast, is getting gigs with Ferry Corsten, as well as without Ferry Corsten, on his own avail. Armada puts out a huge array of tunes from smaller producers, some of these tunes become "hits", but at the end of the day, I don't think they "follow through" with these artists like Flashover does, what's called "artist development."

Anyway, unfortunately, I think the idea of the record label has gone down the tubes in recent years. With digital downloading and less vinyl pressing, "starting a label" takes a few easy steps nowadays. Some people begin labels for the right reasons. Not just because I'm affiliated with them, but Quarterlife Records here in NYC said straight from the beginning, they're giving light to cutting edge music from this great city and that's their manifesto. However, for every record label that knows what they're doing and has a good plan of attack, there's 50 failed labels with no idea how a label is run.

Unknown DJs are now "starting labels" to put their own stuff out, and it must be asked: "Are they starting a label because other labels won't sign their stuff?" Sometimes this is the case, and as you sort through some of the crap on Beatport, you'll see what I mean. Bumblefuck Records (doesn't exist, just saying) has 230 releases, all by DJ Bumblefuck. Nobody buys them, but it gives DJ Bumblefuck a sense of pride and increased ego knowing that all his music is on Beatport. If Cosmic Gate decides to start a label, pay attention, and look out for what artists they get involved, it could be interesting. If DJ Go-Fuck-Yaself, a Piney from South Jersey, announces a million bulletins on Myspace that he's starting a label, look the other way. Unfortunately, the whole "everyone thinks they're a DJ" thing has boiled over into "everyone thinks they can 'start' a label."

Enough of my rant though, but I hope the first half of my post informs you what labels are supposed to do. And as for Santana, one of my favorites too, if it weren't for a label, we'd never have heard of him!


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Old Post Jan-27-2008 16:11  United States
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djquick83
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Registered: May 2003
Location: NYC

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Eco
Well, the music you and everyone hear is only as a result of labels and what they do. Traditionally, a label is supposed to pick out what would consider "artists to watch." Whether two months or two years pass, they are supposed to make sure that artist gets better and better until the artist can put out consistent hits, which would be a good investment on their part. The electronic dance music labels are a little less hands-on than rock or pop or rap labels, where they are trying to sculpt an image around the artist (EDM scene just wants them to come up with something catchy or bound for hit-ness).... The first labels to sign Deadmau5 (when he wasn't famous) did a good job at this. Flashover and its relationship to Breakfast did a good job at this as well. They took relatively unknown artists, and saw something in them that would lead to big tunes in the future. That is the model of what a good label does. Armada does this to a good extent too, however, I think it's way too big to foster a consistent relationship with the artists that my previous example of Flashover does. For example, there's a million smaller producers on Armada and its sublabels, whereas Flashover has maybe a dozen or so. However, thanks for Flashover and their consistent relationship with the artists, a 19 year old from Maryland, Breakfast, is getting gigs with Ferry Corsten, as well as without Ferry Corsten, on his own avail. Armada puts out a huge array of tunes from smaller producers, some of these tunes become "hits", but at the end of the day, I don't think they "follow through" with these artists like Flashover does, what's called "artist development."

Anyway, unfortunately, I think the idea of the record label has gone down the tubes in recent years. With digital downloading and less vinyl pressing, "starting a label" takes a few easy steps nowadays. Some people begin labels for the right reasons. Not just because I'm affiliated with them, but Quarterlife Records here in NYC said straight from the beginning, they're giving light to cutting edge music from this great city and that's their manifesto. However, for every record label that knows what they're doing and has a good plan of attack, there's 50 failed labels with no idea how a label is run.

Unknown DJs are now "starting labels" to put their own stuff out, and it must be asked: "Are they starting a label because other labels won't sign their stuff?" Sometimes this is the case, and as you sort through some of the crap on Beatport, you'll see what I mean. Bumblefuck Records (doesn't exist, just saying) has 230 releases, all by DJ Bumblefuck. Nobody buys them, but it gives DJ Bumblefuck a sense of pride and increased ego knowing that all his music is on Beatport. If Cosmic Gate decides to start a label, pay attention, and look out for what artists they get involved, it could be interesting. If DJ Go-Fuck-Yaself, a Piney from South Jersey, announces a million bulletins on Myspace that he's starting a label, look the other way. Unfortunately, the whole "everyone thinks they're a DJ" thing has boiled over into "everyone thinks they can 'start' a label."

Enough of my rant though, but I hope the first half of my post informs you what labels are supposed to do. And as for Santana, one of my favorites too, if it weren't for a label, we'd never have heard of him!



Didnt u say u was gonna open up a DJ Eco label ? ...

Old Post Jan-27-2008 16:22  United States
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Jason Jollins
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: New York City

My label (Acute Recordings) will be six years old in May and I currently have over 80 releases (vinyl + digital).

Music producers send me there tracks when they are finished making them. If I like the tracks I sign those tracks to my label, market / promote the tracks and then get the tracks to stores where people / dj's can purchase them.

What differs between my label and most other labels is I generally sign tracks from artists who have never had a release on any other labels. By doing so, I provide these artists a gateway to move forward and sign with other labels (however there have been exceptions where I sometimes sign tracks from well established producers).

Acute's mission is basically to find unknown but extremely talented artists, give these artists worldwide exposure while at the same time releasing top quality dj oriented music.

Here's a link to my label to give you a better idea of how it works: http://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/...cute_recordings



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Jayoza
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Registered: Apr 2006
Location: New York City

Good Question. Well a record label does many things for a performing or recording Artist, producers & songwriters. There are key units to a major and even indie labels for that matter. Which include Accounting (accounts payable, Royalties), A & R, Marketing Department (Graphic Design, Production, Art Direction, Artist Imaging, Media buying & placement), distribution, PR, Radio Promotion, and Liscencing/Publishing & Legal. Like any other business their primary goals are to sell as many units as possible, but maybe some indie labels are just concentrating on exposing their special style of music. Also to create a long lasting selling product they must develop their Artist's which involved a lot of Marketing, Imaging, PR. Although a record label might sign REALLY good music that they know can be a hit, they also like the factor that this artist is creating "street buzz" and "internet fame". A&R managers develop artists careers by connecting them with producer/songwriters, graphic/web designers, entertainment lawyers, and "the label" with all of its services. Simply put a performing or recording artist cannot survive without the label.

I learned all these things through 2 years of education in the music business at bergen community college, and while being interactive production freelancer in office at Universal Records, Bad Boy Records and Warner Music. Where I worked on various projects including Album Launches, Web Site Design, Media Planning, Contests & Special Marketing objectives. Where I interfaced with many diff kinds of people working in the music business.


I hope this answered some of your questions? If not can go deeper in to the subject heh.


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Old Post Jan-27-2008 20:04  United States
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DJ Eco
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Dirty Jersey

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Jollins
My label (Acute Recordings) will be six years old in May and I currently have over 80 releases (vinyl + digital).

Music producers send me there tracks when they are finished making them. If I like the tracks I sign those tracks to my label, market / promote the tracks and then get the tracks to stores where people / dj's can purchase them.

What differs between my label and most other labels is I generally sign tracks from artists who have never had a release on any other labels. By doing so, I provide these artists a gateway to move forward and sign with other labels (however there have been exceptions where I sometimes sign tracks from well established producers).

Acute's mission is basically to find unknown but extremely talented artists, give these artists worldwide exposure while at the same time releasing top quality dj oriented music.

Here's a link to my label to give you a better idea of how it works: http://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/...cute_recordings



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Exactly, Acute is yet another example of a label that knows what its doing, and in it for the right reasons (aka not every release is a Jason Jollins track, for example)... Good job dude, and I've been supporting the new one ;-)


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