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CAKE
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Arrow How Unsafe txt Msg's Are

If found this pretty interesting how unfase and accessable is the info we send in our txt to anyone and everyone who wants to hack into it.


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Text Messaging Privacy

Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:16AM EST

Text-messaging privacy is a hot topic once again, thanks to the latest text-messaging sex scandal involving Detroit's Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and his chief of staff Christine Beatty. The Detroit Free Press examined over 14,000 text messages obtained from Beatty's pager, publishing those that confirmed the two were having an affair and lied under oath about it.

We're reminded time and time again to refrain from sending personal emails using the office computer. Maybe they should've taken a few precautions with the office pager too. David Chamberlain, a wireless analyst for In-Stat, reminds us that users of any technology issued by an employer shouldn't expect to have any privacy. It's obvious the mayor's mistake was using a city-issued pager to exchange personal messages with his aide, but what about the rest of us? Should we have to worry about old texts resurfacing even when using our private lines?

According to a report by the Associated Press, Beatty's text messaging service was provided by SkyTel who has contracts exclusively with corporations and government agencies, and not surprisingly, stores all communication for legal reasons. It's not exactly clear how many years these text messages are archived for, but the Detroit Free Press says the messages obtained cover two months in 2002 and 2003.

As for the rest of us, AT&T says they keep messages for up to 72 hours, Sprint PCS for two weeks, and Verizon says texts don't stay on the network for a long period, adding "people can feel comfortable we're not storing information that can later be used against them." Oh, really? Then how is it that in many cases the police and even hackers have been able to obtain old text messages archived somewhere in a carrier's server?

The truth is, regardless of what a carrier says, this isn't the first time text messaging has been used to expose cheaters, stalkers, murderers, or thieves, nor will it be the last. Text messaging has become a huge part of our lives, and it will be the first place law enforcement officers will turn to for clues. I've heard so many people expressing concern over text message privacy, and the reality is there is none. Your privacy is up to you, so you have to be careful with the information you put out there.

There are inexpensive ways to intercept text messages out there using a radio kit, and the worst part is anyone can figure out how to create one by searching online. Bob Sullivan wrote a good article regarding the topic, after a Wal-Mart employee was caught spying on a New York Times reporter using a radio device.


source: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/...ssaging-privacy

This is the Articl by Bob Sullivan that they were talking about

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TEXT MESSAGE SNAGGING: CHILD'S PLAY OR CLOAK AND DAGGER?

Posted: Wednesday, March 7 at 05:00 am CT by Bob Sullivan
Lost in the intriguing story of a Wal-Mart employee who allegedly spied on a New York Times reporter was this tidbit: The "technician" managed to pluck text messages out of the air and read them, according to the company. And these messages weren’t just communications between Wal-Mart employees and a professional journalist covering the firm; innocent bystanders and their messages also were swept up in the spying, it said.

Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams offered scant details of the spying activities by the fired employee on Monday, but she stated that the text messages were intercepted by the employee using a radio device, then scanned for certain keywords. She declined to elaborate on the technology used to pluck the messages out of thin air, other than to say the radio device pulled down messages within "a mile or so" of the company's headquarters.

She also wouldn’t say how many innocent people had their messages read, other than to say there were only "a handful" of other victims.

On Tuesday, Wal-Mart spokesman David Tovar confirmed that the text-message prying occurred, but said the company couldn’t reveal any additional details about the incident.

Wal-Mart said on Monday that it believed the employee’s recording of telephone conversations between the New York Times reporter and members of the company’s media relations department broke no laws because it's legal in Arkansas for telephone conversations to be recorded as long as one of the parties involved is aware of the recording.

It is illegal to surreptitiously intercept electronic communications without a warrant under the federal wiretap statues enacted in 1968. In 1986, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act clarified wiretaps laws to extend to interception of signals from modern radio-based devices, explicitly prohibiting the monitoring of cellular phone transmissions by third parties without a court order.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Arkansas is investigating the incident.

The company’s description of the privacy breach begs the question of whether it is possible to intercept and read text messages flying around a certain area. The experts that MSNBC.com spoke with Tuesday agreed that it would be possible. The only point of contention was how much it would cost.

Cellular interceptor technology that could pluck text messages from the sky is readily available on the Internet -- for those who have $500,000 or more to burn and can prove they work for a law enforcement agency.

Companies like Global Security Solutions and Home Land Security Strategies Inc. offer such text-message-sniffing products for sale.

Reserved for G-men and -women

Home Land brags on its site -- CellularIntercept.com -- about the powers of the "G-Com 2066," saying it will "capture SMS (short message service) data. It is a passive system -- no signal is transmitted from the system and the cell phone network receives no electromagnetic interference." The site says that all devices sold there are "restricted and reserved for authorized agents of Government."



The G-Com 2066 comes in its own silver suitcase. Image: Global-Security-Solutions.com

Global Security Solutions offers a similar product called the "GSS ProA - GSM Interceptor." It costs close to $1 million, says owner John Demeter. He said the U.S. Defense Department is among the company's clients.

But he also stated that a determined hacker who wanted to grab all the text messages floating around in a certain area wouldn't have to spend that kind of coin to do so. A teenager could build a radio kit to do it from parts purchased at an electronics store, he said.

"There are many different ways to do it," he said. "Whatever is in the air can be intercepted and listened to."

Former White House cybersecurity adviser Howard Schmidt echoed Demeter's claim. He was even more specific, saying a few parts purchased for about $100 at a local Radio Shack would do the trick. In fact, he said, he helped build such a kit as part of a security assessment for a company only a few years ago.

"Text messages are transmitting over radio frequencies ... unencrypted. You can intercept them and pull the pieces back together," Schmidt said. "There are schematics all over to do this."

Cue up the James Bond track

But Joe Farren, a spokesman for mobile phone industry group CTIA, rejected the idea that amateurs with inexpensive equipment could intercept text messages, saying that would be limited to the realm of highly specialized hackers and government spooks.

"I'm waiting for the James Bond theme to start playing here," he said. "Minus the James Bond, NSA-type capability, that kind of thing doesn't happen. If messages are sent on a modern, digital network, they are encrypted. You need serious NSA-type capability to do that."

Even that might not be an impossible barrier at a large company like Wal-Mart. Like most Fortune 500 firms, Wal-Mart employs former FBI and CIA agents to work in its corporate security department.

Read previous story by Bob Sullivan on the Wal-Mart privacy breach

Privacy Lost: MSNBC.com's special report on the erosion of Americans' right to privacy

Text messages are sent using SMS (short message service) protocols, and available with nearly all digital cell phones. There are many ways for a spy to surreptitiously peek at them.

In 2002, a Gartner Group report warned companies not to trust SMS, saying that clever hackers could simply befriend cell phone employees and get them to obtain copies of text messages. The report followed the conviction of a student in the U.K. who persuaded two mobile phone employees to release text messages sent by his ex-girlfriend.

Some companies sell what are effectively Trojan horse programs for cell phones, which cause them to forward messages received by the phone to a third party. Implanting such programs requires physical access to the phone that's being spied on, however, said one maker of the tools who asked not to be identified.

Cell phones and pagers also can be “cloned,” meaning the clone will receive a copy of every text message sent to the original device. In the most famous case of pager cloning, alleged Israeli organized crime figure Assaf Waknine obtained a clone of the pager carried by a Los Angeles police detective who was investigating him.

But intercepting all text messages sent within a one-mile area -- which is what Williams alleged the Wal-Mart employee did – would require a much more sophisticated surveillance system. And it would constitute a more outrageous violation of privacy.

"It makes you wonder how big can this problem really be," said privacy auditor Larry Ponenmon, who runs The Ponemon Institute. "Does it touch every large company?"



source: http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/03/snagging_text_m.html


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the king of txt msg scandals:


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thats scary
i know ive sent some crazy messages that could so get me in trouble if the wrong people got them.. eeek.

code word time!


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lol wth people
do you txt national security secrets to spies abroad or something?


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lol wth people
do you txt national security secrets to spies abroad or something?

same with emails... you never know what kind of info gets passed on through electronic means


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quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
lol wth people
do you txt national security secrets to spies abroad or something?


i cant afford a scandal!! lol


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hahaha I just went through my phone and here are the most random sounding de-contextualized messages that I could find:

"OMG Fran I just had a dream that I was making out with citations!!!"

"iiiiiiii am your BROOOOOOTHERRR - your BEST FRIEND Foreeeevvvrrr"

"meet me in the maps dept. in 5 mins and bring the polar bear"

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"I didnt kno she was 12."

context: text sent to my manager after she told me it was her daughter's 12th birthday day before.



(can you imagine taking THAT one potentially out of context! HAHAHAHA)


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Like the government cares about what kind of texts you send, unless it is about national security then you don't have to worry... After all they can still tap into phonelines if they hear some key words...

However hacking into somebody's phone was possible a long time ago, I remember a friend of mine showed me how it is possible to access his blackberry phone from the other one and actually call someone using the hacked phone's number.

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