that would be a massive .009% swing to obama!

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You guys are retarded, listen to the MSM and throw bs around.

Ron Paul had a _perfect_ idea for the country and was NOT batshit insane. If you've ever read a god damn book, none of these crappy candidates are going to anything but put us more in the hole.

The only thing different between Obama and McCain is that Obama supports hope and dreams.

What a stupid ass "slogan" that just brings people in.

"OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG HE'S FOR HOPE AND CHANGE, FUCK ME, I WANT TO TOUCH MYSELF NOW"

Also, Ron Paul had a lot more support than you saw on Fox News. In Fact, before the primaries, Ron Paul, and even Huckabee had more support than Obama. Then towards the primaries everybody just started creaming their pants on Obama.

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Originally posted by shapes You guys are retarded, listen to the MSM and throw bs around. Ron Paul had a _perfect_ idea for the country and was NOT batshit insane. If you've ever read a god damn book, none of these crappy candidates are going to anything but put us more in the hole. The only thing different between Obama and McCain is that Obama supports hope and dreams. What a stupid ass "slogan" that just brings people in. "OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG HE'S FOR HOPE AND CHANGE, FUCK ME, I WANT TO TOUCH MYSELF NOW"

I've never read any books before in my life, but common sense (not the MSM which I don't watch or read) tells me that Ron Paul is an effing loon.

Also, try critically consuming speeches given by candidates and the policy statements given by advisers - Obama's appeal is a lot deeper than a word or slogan. But then again, maybe if you weren't so busy reading books and instead used your time to keep up on the actual literature coming out from the campaigns, you'd already know that.

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Originally posted by shapes Also, Ron Paul had a lot more support than you saw on Fox News. In Fact, before the primaries, Ron Paul, and even Huckabee had more support than Obama. Then towards the primaries everybody just started creaming their pants on Obama.

I'd LOVE to see your source on that one.




Polling data on Obama going back to November 2006:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Polling data on Ron Paul going back to October 2006:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

Ron Paul cracked double digits in one poll (an outlier), and Obama never fell below 17% in a single poll (at which time Ron Paul was polling at roughly 1%)... soooo... your statement was complete BS and not at all based on fact. Which is about par for the course from a Ron Paul supporter.

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Last edited by Lebezniatnikov on Mar-20-2008 at 04:26

Hey, I would have loved to vote for Paul if I had the chance...

Now I have to weigh my options:

McCain - Probably headed in much the same direction as Bush when it comes to removal of civil liberties, which, in my opinion is the biggest concern for me at the moment. There may be a chance that the size of the government wouldn't balloon as much as if a democrat were in office, but that doesn't trump my hatred of the removal of freedoms of the American people. He also seems willing to stay in Iraq as long as needed and is fairly open to other military "endeavors."

Obama - (If this is Hillary instead, McCain will get my vote.) I don't mind the guy, seems fairly genuine and articulate for a politician. I'm not a huge fan of his health care plans, but they're not as horrific as Hillary's. He has stated that he will restore civil liberties and also remove some of the power the president and central government has. Also seems willing to get out of Iraq. I'll take the risk of a bigger government if it comes with the return of civil liberties and the intelligent withdraw of troops.


So, in the end it's big government vs. civil liberties and civil liberties (Obama) wins. I know it's a simplistic approach, but that's how I've watered it down.

who the fuck else are they going to support, clinton, mccain? haha right

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that would be a massive .009% swing to obama!

Wrong. The Ron Paul campaign no fringe campaign. They just got publicity because many fringe groups supported him.

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You guys are retarded, listen to the MSM and throw bs around. Ron Paul had a _perfect_ idea for the country and was NOT batshit insane. If you've ever read a god damn book, none of these crappy candidates are going to anything but put us more in the hole. The only thing different between Obama and McCain is that Obama supports hope and dreams. What a stupid ass "slogan" that just brings people in. "OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG HE'S FOR HOPE AND CHANGE, FUCK ME, I WANT TO TOUCH MYSELF NOW" Also, Ron Paul had a lot more support than you saw on Fox News. In Fact, before the primaries, Ron Paul, and even Huckabee had more support than Obama. Then towards the primaries everybody just started creaming their pants on Obama.

Ron Paul will not win. So why continue to support him for president. Huccabee is not a democrat, so you can't compare his numbers to Obama's. Also, Obama is more than just words. Do you watch PBS?

1 Hour with Barack Obama on Charlie Rose - PBS

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I'll be supporting him cuz Mccain (Bush 2.0) would be a farking disaster.

The republicans need to suffer a humiliating defeat to make them realize what a huge mistake they've made in allowing neocons to hijack the party. Hopefully once the whole "lets change the world with force" idea is purged from the GOP, they will go back to true conservatism and offer voters a real choice in 2012.

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Originally posted by josh4 who the fuck else are they going to support, clinton, mccain? haha right

lol, well they gotta support someone, and it should be Obama..

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Originally posted by Capitalizt I'll be supporting him cuz Mccain (Bush 2.0) would be a farking disaster. The republicans need to suffer a humiliating defeat to make them realize what a huge mistake they've made in allowing neocons to hijack the party. Hopefully once the whole "lets change the world with force" idea is purged from the GOP, they will go back to true conservatism and offer voters a real choice in 2012.

been hitting the bong again i see. time to get your head out of the clouds and come back to reality. conservatives never realize anything, especially their own mistakes and/or incompetence. if theres going to be any change in idealism or direction on their part they'll play it off as always having been apart of the plan or some shit like that. bottom line they'll NEVER give you the satisfaction

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that would be a massive .009% swing to obama!

On the bright side, at least they count... most foreigners here (such as you and me) support Barack too, but if we counted, we would've been able to elect Kerry in 2004

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