So I'm listening to a set on friskyRadio right now, and the opening song had 2 clearly distinguishable z3ta+ presets as main melody/arp lines. Not like a sound patch, but a full friggin preprogrammed midi sequence. Second song had another preset, as did the third one, then the fifth. So... does anyone else find that things like that just jump out at you when listening to a commercial release? I mean, everyone who tried producing has at least considered using a midi preset in a track, some probably have, but it looks like people really have the balls to go ahead and put that into a commercial release. I admit I've done it, but I've always felt a bit embarrassed, almost like taking credit for someone else's work.

The only track in which a z3ta midi preset sounds like it actually belongs there is 'Salty' by Meat Katie.

Umm... discuss?









sorry if this is the wrong forum for this. if that's the case, please move.

we've all done it one way or another. i know skream used an arp preset from reaktor in one of his tracks. you can get away with it if it works well with the rest of the tune i guess. i used to hate making patches/doing synthesis.

Presets, soundbanks, pre-programmed MIDIs, and romplers are the plague of today's electronic music. Most people are unoriginal enough to begin with, but now the equipment itself is practically *begging* them to sound like everybody else.

don't see anything wrong with it, as long as it fits to the track. presets are meant to be used, and there's nothing wrong with that. the only downside is that most people might have already heard the sound so many times it's not intresting anymore. but it's up to the producer what sounds he wants to use. in music the guy who works most for his tracks isn't nessasery the best (though quite often the ones who work the least are the worse).

i personally try to listen music for the music part and not the engineering part, as much as i can. but the more you produce yourself the harder it is. what good is it to create your own sounds if they don't sound good, or you can't make a good track with them.

sampling for instance used to be a big part of edm, but now the only sampling you see is producers using vengeance samples vengeance ripped off from someone else.

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There's a difference, though. Rock didn't begin primarily as a highly experimental way of exploring new sounds and creating them from scratch. But electronic music did. And now people are turning their backs on electronic music's wonderful beginnings, turning themselves into a bunch of imitative monkeys and treating the supersaw as trance's "guitar."

Depends how complex the ARP is i suppose, if it's actually basically a melody (like that AWESOME 'First Contact' z3ta patch then yeah it's not on really

Using presets is a cop-out.

I never touch the things. Not for synth settings, and definitely not for patterns. Electronic music is all about creating your own style. You cannot do that with stock sounds.

(Aside: This is actually why I despise most rock music and its derivatives. The guitar has been beaten to death over the past century. It's time to stop using it as a crutch.)

The majority of the people need a base to start from, i personally first learned how to edit the patches and then learned to make my own from that point.

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hear it all the time

specially the vengeance fx sounds in every track these days

if i hear that one crash from vengeance minimal house cd on another tune again, im gonna scream

you all know which one im talking about

the crash sound with a reverbed clap attached to it

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Originally posted by sot hear it all the time specially the vengeance fx sounds in every track these days if i hear that one crash from vengeance minimal house cd on another tune again, im gonna scream you all know which one im talking about the crash sound with a reverbed clap attached to it

that and the synth shots.
hell i've found whole tunes that use slightly fx'd long vocal samples from the vengeance sets.

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