lots of stuff I didn't know before...I think a few facts may be incorrect, but overall it was very educational.

I really enjoyed watching this film in all honestly and I do feel confused and lost about alot of the things that I heard in this film.

I ll be doing alot of research on my own about alot of the topics that were brought up here thats for sure,

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I'll check it out but it better not be another Zeitgeist.

Not looking so good... 5 minutes in and its still a disembodied voice talking over images. I hope we get some discussions with experts and get some differing points of view here soon.

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Originally posted by Zild I'll check it out but it better not be another Zeitgeist. Not looking so good... 5 minutes in and its still a disembodied voice talking over images. I hope we get some discussions with experts and get some differing points of view here soon.

The only real "new" information, or non-mainstream information rather, in Zeitgeist was the pagan influence in popular religion, the repetition of the trinity concept is both pagan and monothestic faiths, and the parallels found in popular religion with astrology / astrotheology. It had a number of inaccuracies and leaps in logic, and I'm not even a Christian. The other thing Zeitgist encorperated which you don't see very often is pointing out the same overtones in organized religion and nationalism, something I was well aware of before hand. Interestingly enough, it didn't point out the parallels between religious fundamentalism and athiestic fundamentalism, both of which are equally intolerant. Religious nuts as well as secular atheist nuts are equally fond of mental masturbation, pushing their perspective on others, and ridicululing any alternative perspective.

EDIT: Is it just me, or do you also feel there's a enough genuine mistakes or disinformation presents in all these "documentaries" bringing a pop-culture version "esoteric" knowledge to a broader audience?

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It's mostly a disembodied voice documentary... And there are some conspiracy theories here I find pretty far fetched, but there is also an element of truth to almost everything mentioned. You can ignore the theories but its hard to ignore the facts and history these guys have dug up..

Last edited by Capitalizt on Mar-28-2008 at 14:52

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Originally posted by Capitalizt It's mostly a disembodied voice documentary... And there are some conspiracy theories here I find pretty far fetched, but there is also an element of truth to almost everything mentioned in the documentary. You can ignore the theories but its hard to ignore the facts and history these guys have dug up..

I'm not a narow minded "rationalist," so you won't see me throwing out the baby with the bathwater .

EDIT: Plus, to a large extent, I'm familiar with most of the material, including the theories. I saw this a few months ago just when it came out, and it didn't present me a whole lot of new information / disinformation I didn't already know. Problem is, you're considered insane for simply being exposed to such information, speculation, and theories, especially if you're critical of speculation and theories present in mainstream academia as well. It's generally stereotyped as delusional paranoia or passive rejectionism, depending on what kind of audience you're engaging. That's in part why you see me post less and less. You can't have an intellectualy open and free discussion if the only reponse you get are ad hominems, strawmans, or constant being called a nut or agent provocateur.

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Last edited by shaolin_Z on Mar-28-2008 at 14:50

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z The only real "new" information, or non-mainstream information rather, in Zeitgeist was the pagan influence in popular religion, the repetition of the trinity concept is both pagan and monothestic faiths, and the parallels found in popular religion with astrology / astrotheology. It had a number of inaccuracies and leaps in logic, and I'm not even a Christian. The other thing Zeitgist encorperated which you don't see very often is pointing out the same overtones in organized religion and nationalism, something I was well aware of before hand. Interestingly enough, it didn't point out the parallels between religious fundamentalism and athiestic fundamentalism, both of which are equally intolerant. Religious nuts as well as secular atheist nuts are equally fond of mental masturbation, pushing their perspective on others, and ridicululing any alternative perspective. EDIT: Is it just me, or do you also feel there's a enough genuine mistakes or disinformation presents in all these "documentaries" bringing a pop-culture version "esoteric" knowledge to a broader audience?

I've always known about the pagan influence in popular religion. We were taught about it as children in Catholic school.

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Originally posted by Zild I've always known about the pagan influence in popular religion. We were taught about it as children in Catholic school.

Well, yes, that's not exactly a secret. Zeitgiest tied it to astrology though, something you're not taught in any school. Not that it's anything new to a knowledgeable person who's done their homework.

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Well that is because they're teaching Catholicism instead of paganism. If someone truly asked me what I believe I would tell them I worship the sun and that I'm pagan, but these types of 'documentaries' are still meh. I'd like to see some interviews with experts. It would be easy to find some religious studies people to talk about how paganism evolved into modern religions, some historians to talk about the secret societies and history of religion, some people from the media who cover stuff like Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg group, etc or at least to speak of the lack of media coverage if that is their opinion, etc...

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Originally posted by Zild Well that is because they're teaching Catholicism instead of paganism. If someone truly asked me what I believe I would tell them I worship the sun and that I'm pagan, but these types of 'documentaries' are still meh. I'd like to see some interviews with experts. It would be easy to find some religious studies people to talk about how paganism evolved into modern religions, some historians to talk about the secret societies and history of religion, some people from the media who cover stuff like Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg group, etc or at least to speak of the lack of media coverage if that is their opinion, etc...

The council of Nicea, cultural and pagan influences of the holy Roman Empire, and the Papacy defined what Catholicism is today... which bears little resemblence to early Christianity. No offense to any Christians here, but I personally don't even consider what most people call "Christianity" today to be true "Chrisitanity." The name alone, "Christianity," which it also had nothing to do with early "Chrisitanity," should tell you a lot about the pagan and astrolotheological influences in it today, hence Sun worship. Due to the council of Nicea, the holy Roman Empire, and the Papacy, which drastically altered the original Christian faith, is why there is a strong argument for Sun worship there. Ofcourse, you'll hear claims along the lines of Judaism being the worship of Saturn and Islam being Moon worship... unfortunately, it's a weak argument at best as neigther Judaism or Islam have enough if any of those parallels with paganism or astrotheology. Which is why these "documentaries" also a bit "meh" to me to a large degree. EDIT: Plus, most of them, if you have the background knowledge, to a great extent blatantly push element New Age ideology and New Age gnosticism.

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Last edited by shaolin_Z on Mar-28-2008 at 16:41

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z The council of Nicea, cultural and pagan influences of the holy Roman Empire, and the Papacy defined what Catholicism is today... which bears little resemblence to early Christianity.... The name alone, "Christianity," which it also had nothing to do with early "Chrisitanity," should tell you a lot about the pagan and astrolotheological influences in it today, hence Sun worship.

I just wanted to add... also consider the anthropomorphisation of the halo wearing Jesus charatcter (as opposed to the actual figure that mainstream historians and academics speculate did in fact exist) as the "son" of God or God, and the incorperation of the whole trinity concept from Egyptian paganism; Isis, Osiris, and Horus, which are metaphorical astrological references again.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller