So to summarize; damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Originally posted by Q5echo but it does go to show what i've said before about the man. he was full of shit.

hahaha. you crack me up Q5

i know its only early days, but if that's all you've got right now then its disappointing

fuck man, george bush told the world that god told him to invade iraq. its an issue when obama imitates any politician by creating and extending distance in such a situation?

so, what's your point? in this situation how would you have him act to avoid being "full of shit"?

and notions like obama thinking the "U.S. government was capable of planting AIDS in the black community, " = retarded.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know its only early days, but if that's all you've got right now then its disappointing

did you read his Philidelphia speech? probably not.

just another "distraction" i know. he's accumulated enough passes in his back pocket, you'd think the guy's been in main stream politics for decades. people love him. they love him so much that stuff like this gets washed aside like it's nothing. i just want some insight into the man b/c he, in fact, hasn't been around for decades and this is what he gives me.

it's not so early though to determine that he's not being honest about his church or the people in his life that he says molded him. either Wright is who Obama says he is, or he's not. Either his church means one thing to him, or it doesn't.

over time (three months to be exact) it's fairly clear, he wants to be President. how bad? well it's pretty f**kin obvious now.

yeah, well from where im sitting its pretty fucking trivial and your "concerns" reek of a partisan hatchet job

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN its pretty fucking trivial and your "concerns" reek of a partisan hatchet job

his Philly speech was trivial?

we're choosing one man to run our country. i don't doubt for a second from where you sit it matter's too much...or does it?

when Bushitler says things like, "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty" or, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will." or, "I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness." or in the words of Palestinian leaders "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
you believe him, right?

as hair-brained and backwards and stupid as you may think uttering those words may be, even from the leader of the free world, you believe him.

OK, so first he gives a speech in Philly where he basically says that he neither condones or agrees with what has been said, but tries to explain the reasoning behind his pastor's comments. Then he decides to no longer be a part of a church with a pastor he has already said he may sympathize with but not agree with.

I guess I just don't see the issue.

I've had friends and acquaintances that have done or said stupid stuff and I've decided to no longer associate with them. That didn't make me "full of shit," because I used to call them friend. Generally speaking, the reason I associate with someone is because of what they say and do. When what they say or do changes, I stay away.

I guess Obama doesn't get to do that without being criticized.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono OK, so first he gives a speech in Philly where he basically says that he neither condones or agrees with what has been said, but tries to explain the reasoning behind his pastor's comments. Then he decides to no longer be a part of a church with a pastor he has already said he may sympathize with but not agree with. I guess I just don't see the issue. I've had friends and acquaintances that have done or said stupid stuff and I've decided to no longer associate with them. That didn't make me "full of shit," because I used to call them friend. Generally speaking, the reason I associate with someone is because of what they say and do. When what they say or do changes, I stay away. I guess Obama doesn't get to do that without being criticized.

after 20 years does he know what his church (formerly) was all about? he wanted us to believe he did.

does Trinity embody the black community in it's entirety? he wanted us to believe it did.

or is this the political expediency of an old kind of politician, as opposed to the "new kind" we've all been hearing about? he wants you to believe he is

therefore, IMHO about race and the politics of race, forget about Wright and what he has written many times about him, indeed he's full of shit.

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Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way….

He did it because the incident from this past weekend just proved that his church is going to be a neverending distraction as long as it's in the picture.

I'm disappointed that he caved, btw.

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Originally posted by Q5echo after 20 years does he know what his church (formerly) was all about? he wanted us to believe he did. does Trinity embody the black community in it's entirety? he wanted us to believe it did. or is this the political expediency of an old kind of politician, as opposed to the "new kind" we've all been hearing about? he wants you to believe he is therefore, IMHO about race and the politics of race, forget about Wright and what he has written many times about him, indeed he's full of shit.

Again, why is there some sort of time after which you're "locked in" to a particular group or association? I guess if you're raised a particular way you have no choice to remain that way, for fear of being "full of shit" should you change. I guess all friendships and beliefs are static, and if you should decide to change, because the people that are part of those friendships do, you're just a big old fat hypocrite.

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Originally posted by Q5echo after 20 years does he know what his church (formerly) was all about? he wanted us to believe he did. does Trinity embody the black community in it's entirety? he wanted us to believe it did. or is this the political expediency of an old kind of politician, as opposed to the "new kind" we've all been hearing about? he wants you to believe he is therefore, IMHO about race and the politics of race, forget about Wright and what he has written many times about him, indeed he's full of shit.

I have no earthly idea what you're on about here. Wright burned Obama badly, Obama noted that he may not have known Wright as well as he thought, and that he didn't agree with much of the comments trotted out in public. But Obama is supposed to be like Tammy Wynette and stand by his man while the right wing swift boats him? I thought that's what you hate Hillary Clinton for.

This whole discussion makes the right look desperate for something to scandalize.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov This whole discussion makes the right look desperate for something to scandalize.

that's how it feels from across the pacific...

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