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Obama: I'll take care of Iran for Israel Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:56:34 Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he would always keep the military option against Iran on the table to defend Israel. Speaking to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), Obama said, “The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.” He rejected the notion that he would adopt a softer stance on Iran and warned that he would do everything in his power against the Islamic Republic if it does not stop threatening Israel and continues its uranium enrichment. Obama, who became the presumptive Democratic nominee on Tuesday, said if Tehran cooperates, 'there will be rewards', "As president of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leader at a time and place of my choosing -- if, and only if -- it can advance the interests of the United States." However, he continued that if the Islamic Republic fails to follow course, it will be 'the author of its own demise'. "I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel," Obama said. Pundits maintain that Obama's gradual shift into a pro-Israeli camp occurred after the media began portraying him as a candidate least likely to support the Israeli regime. In order to secure his presidency, Obama has realized that by threatening Israel's number one enemy, Iran, he can curry favor with the highly influential Israeli lobby in the US and possibly turn the tables in his favor.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?i...ctionid=3510203

LOL, this is the f-ckface everyone thinks is a great man, or has great policies, and is the hope for America in 2008.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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In order to secure his presidency, Obama has realized that by threatening Israel's number one enemy, Iran, he can curry favor with the highly influential Israeli lobby in the US and possibly turn the tables in his favor.

he's a politician, he has to do these things. for some reason obama supporters think he's above being influenced by the people who are going to vote him into office. it's not possible to be voted into office without doing something for those who will vote for you, otherwise those people won't support you.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 he's a politician, he has to do these things. for some reason obama supporters think he's above being influenced by the people who are going to vote him into office. it's not possible to be voted into office without doing something for those who will vote for you, otherwise those people won't support you.

Exactly, he's a politician, he's full of shit... and he's going to do what ALL other presidents have done, bent over and take it up his AIPAC owned ass. It's not like AIPAC forms a significantly large chunk of the population or demographic voting block, so that argument is a little retarded in this respect.

I can't be bothered to state the obvious that's already been done a million times over here, so this will have to do:

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The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy An episode of the Dutch documentary program "Tegenlicht" about the Israel lobby in the USA. This new documentary (April 2007) was created as a result of the controversy created by Mearsheimer and Walt's "The Israel Lobby" article. Featuring interviews with Mearsheimer, geostrategist Lawrence Wikerson, Richard Perle, historian and critic Tony Judt, John Hagee, former Congressman Earl Hilliard, Kenneth Roth of Human Rights Watch, Michael Massing and Daniel Levy. 'Tegenlicht' ('Counterlight') is a program from the Dutch VPRO public television. "De Israel Lobby" (AIPAC) In pieces at the VPRO website: http://tinyurl.com/3xysh3

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

When I was watching him at this speech I just knew that you would post it....
I lol'd to myself just thinking about it....

He's not going to ass kiss Israel as has been the case for the previous eight years. The man's already come under fire from their government for offering to open dialogue with the Iranians.


plus I've just received news that Obama is actually a politician and not the messiah.

so calm down Z......
besides, his main platform is not Israel or Iran... its America...

SO whats wrong with that??

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Originally posted by LazFX When I was watching him at this speech I just knew that you would post it.... I lol'd to myself just thinking about it.... plus I've just received news that Obama is actually a politician and not the messiah. so calm down Z...... besides, his main platform is not Israel or Iran... its America... SO whats wrong with that??

I'm perfectly calm, I'm just laughing my ass off at all the Obama supporters that rally after him with blinders. And could you name the last politician running for office that claimed "Israel to be his platform" and "not America" ?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And could you name the last politician running for office that claimed "Israel to be his platform" and "not America" ?

Sure I could but not before you correct something for me:
he is not a congress man... he is a Senator so change the thread title quickly before your thread is ridiculed ....

you know how your POV will get trashed for that mistake.....
hurry grasshopper, hurry

Plus I think his steadfast stance on the Iraq war trumps any "typical" politician stance that many people try to put on him....

He gets no points for that from you Z?

Last edited by LazFX on Jun-04-2008 at 19:42

Are you still in elementary school ?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?i...ctionid=3510203 LOL, this is the f-ckface everyone thinks is a great man, or has great policies, and is the hope for America in 2008.

Erm not quite sure why you seem so surprised about this? The Democrats have always been more pro-Israel than the Republicans

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Are you still in elementary school ?

No, I am just saying that if you are going to call a man a spade, make sure he is spade...

It shows you are just shooting from the hip when you call him a congressman when he is in fact a Senator... Much like the people that insist that because of his middle name .. Hussein, he is a Manchurian Islamofacist who wants to rape white bunnies on the White house lawn while pissing on the cross...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Erm not quite sure why you seem so surprised about this? The Democrats have always been more pro-Israel than the Republicans

I'm not surprised, I think it's a little amusing that people think Obama being in office will really change things from status quo... or prevent another war.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Exactly, he's a politician, he's full of shit... and he's going to do what ALL other presidents have done, bent over and take it up his AIPAC owned ass. It's not like AIPAC forms a significantly large chunk of the population or demographic voting block, so that argument is a little retarded in this respect. I can't be bothered to state the obvious that's already been done a million times over here, so this will have to do:

what's rather ironic is that the israeli lobby also has the full support of the conservative christians.

i don't understand why a president in this country can't be against unquestioned support for israel without being anti-jewish. for a very small population of people concentrated in NYC and california, the jewish people in this country sure as hell know how to rally and tear down politicians.

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Originally posted by LazFX No, I am just saying that if you are going to call a man a spade, make sure he is spade... It shows you are just shooting from the hip when you call him a congressman when he is in fact a Senator... Much like the people that insist that because of his middle name .. Hussein, he is a Manchurian Islamofacist who wants to rape white bunnies on the White house lawn while pissing on the cross...

___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller