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LazFX
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9/11 suspect: 'I wish to be martyred'

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9/11 suspect: 'I wish to be martyred'

* Story Highlights
* NEW: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed says he wants to plead guilty, desires death penalty
* NEW: Mohammed says he wants no lawyer, believes only in Sharia law
* Ramzi bin al-Shibh swaggers in shackles, laughs at media
* Five al Qaeda suspects being arraigned on charges tied to September 11

From Carol Cratty and Kevin Bohn
CNN Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed wants to become a martyr for his role as mastermind of the September 11 attacks, he told a U.S. military judge Thursday.

Mohammed wishes to dismiss his lawyers, plead guilty and become a martyr, he said at his long-awaited arraignment at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The judge, Marine Col. Ralph Kohlmann, asked Mohammed numerous times if he understood that he faces the death penalty. Mohammed responded, "That is what I wish. I wish to be martyred."

He told Kohlmann he could not accept any attorney because he only believes in Sharia, or Islamic law.

Mohammed and his four co-defendants, all suspected al Qaeda figures, are being arraigned on numerous charges for their alleged roles in the September 11, 2001, terror attacks on New York and Washington, which killed nearly 3,000 people.

It is the first time that reporters have been able to see the accused al Qaeda operatives, who were all in the same room for the first time since their arrests in 2002 and 2003. VideoWatch how the defendants surprised the judge »

The defendants were seated at separate tables. None stood when Kohlmann entered. They spoke freely among themselves throughout the proceeding, and Mohammed appeared to be instructing the others.

Ramzi bin al-Shibh, who is accused of helping coordinate the attacks, was the only defendant in leg shackles. He entered the courtroom with a defiant swagger, laughing at media members who were straining to get a look at him.

In addition to Mohammed and bin al-Shibh, the defendants are Walid bin Attash, who is said to have helped train the hijackers; and Mustafa al Hawsawi and Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, both of whom are accused of arranging financing for the plot.

Attash also told the judge he wanted to dismiss his legal team and represent himself.

Wearing a prison outfit and a foot-long gray beard, Mohammed appeared much thinner than when he was captured five years ago.

When he was addressed by Kohlmann, he started singing a prayer in Arabic and then repeated it in English.

The judge stopped him, saying, "I understand you have been held here for a long time and have some things to say."

Mohammed asked to continue what he was saying, noting that he understood he could not talk about torture or the Quran. Kohlmann allowed it, and Mohammed started to talk about wishing to represent himself.

Mohammed's lawyer interjected, saying his client did not understand the importance of the arraignment, and the judge explained to Mohammed that it would not be a good idea to represent himself.

Kohlmann announced at the start of the session that at least part of the detainees' statements would be classified and the judge would block out audio.

The defendants have been in U.S. government custody since 2002 and 2003, and they were transferred to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in September 2006. The charges against them include murder in violation of the law of war, various terrorism counts and intentionally causing bodily injury. Learn more about the suspects »

In a written statement read at a March 2007 hearing, at which he was present, Mohammed said he was responsible for the attacks "from A to Z."

Although Thursday's proceedings may not be complex, they follow years of struggles by the Bush administration to craft a process for bringing the detainees to trial, and officials involved in the military commissions know that the eyes of the world will be on them. Learn how the tribunal will work »

Critics have called Guantanamo Bay a legal "black hole" for detainees who the United States says are not protected as prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions.

Defense attorneys had asked for Thursday's proceedings to be delayed, arguing that they have not had enough time with their clients since the charges were announced in May.

Army Maj. Jon Jackson, al Hawsawi's lawyer, said that it's a good thing the cases are finally moving forward but that defense attorneys should have more time to discuss the cases with their clients.

"We, the defense, should have been granted a reasonable delay in order to develop a relationship with these men, to talk with them about their case, to discuss strategies before we are rushed into the courtroom," Jackson said before heading to Guantanamo Bay. VideoWatch Jackson discuss the trials »

Kohlmann denied the delay request.

Defense lawyers also have accused senior Pentagon officials of pushing the cases forward "in order to influence the November elections," as Lt. Cmdr. Brian Mizer, who is defending Ali, put it last week.

But officials at the Office of Military Commissions, the Pentagon unit that serves as the convening authority for the tribunal, deny that assertion and argue that defense lawyers will be given enough time to mount their cases.

"The fact they are just starting in that process isn't an indication they won't have time to prepare," said Air Force Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann, the legal adviser to the office. VideoWatch Hartmann defend the tribunals »

The actual charges against the men were only sworn against them May 9. And although prosecutors are pushing for a September trial, officials familiar with the process expect long delays and much legal fighting. They say a trial is probably at least many months away.

Another controversy concerns whether prosecutors will introduce information obtained as a result of coercive interrogation techniques used by the CIA, techniques critics say amount to torture.

CNN's Kelli Arena and Mike Mount contributed to this report.

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*if convicted....
I say keep him alive in Rikers in GP ..... Do not give him or any of them their wish to be martyrs .....
Allow them to mingle with all of NYC's best


P.s. and please keep the CT shit out of this.... this thread should be used for tracking the trial, not spouting some tired old CT crap , there is a thread already that I am sure you can use to talk about your melted butter points at centigrade vs the combustion point of chicken wire doused with gasoline ....

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George Smiley
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I heard that for the last six years the CIA have force fed him LSD every day and hypnotised him into believing that he planned 9/11 (the CIA basically made him read and re-read the secret CIA plans to carry out the attack)

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I heard they were physically totured which was okayed by Rumsfeld, chained in neck like dogs, stripped and pilled up naked in heaps for photo opps.. than clothed back in some kindda orange plastic, blindfolded, handcuffed and kept kneeled on ground for days..

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Post the source...

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I think we should martyr him...only instead of lethal injection, drown him in a tub of pigs blood.

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I think we should martyr him...only instead of lethal injection, drown him in a tub of pigs blood.

Not too distant from what the CIA already did to him! (Only they didn't hold him under long enough)

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Originally posted by LazFX
Post the source...


What sources? I said I 'heard' these rumours..

I think all the people who are telling such things pose a threat to democracy and freedom.. and they are terrorists.

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quote:
Originally posted by Capitalizt
I think we should martyr him...only instead of lethal injection, drown him in a tub of pigs blood.


or they should video tape him being anally raped by a big black dude (and maybe R Kelly could give him a golden shower), then they can send him back to the middle east where they can broadcast the video in hopes he will be subject to another great tradition: honor killing.

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I think we should martyr him...only instead of lethal injection, drown him in a tub of pigs blood.


That is a terrible waste of human life, i am against the deatjh penalty even even in such cases.


I mean why simply kill him when you can make him break rock for the rest of his life. Or just do something that totally fucks with him. put him in the middle of the desert and meke him dust it. For every grain of sand that there is left in the desert you pull out one of his beard hairs until he can get it right. Then make him move all of the rocks from one side of the desert to the next and when hes fdone move them back again. After that he could paint the rocks to make them prettier. Hes bound to loose it sooner or later, and when he does, fuk with him some more.


And i am honestly not joking when i write this. I trully believe that this is a punishment worse than death, and if there is someone that deserves is is the people that target innocent civilians.


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quote:
Originally posted by Kinezi
What sources? I said I 'heard' these rumours..

I think all the people who are telling such things pose a threat to democracy and freedom.. and they are terrorists.


Rumors? Oh ok....

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I think we should absolutly not Martyr him, we should keep him alive and send him to the supermax prison in Colorado, where the only person he will see are Guards ever. Additionally, then slowly give him Pork meat in small pieces along with Chicken or meat to make it look ok, so he doesnt know and then eventually tell him he has been eating pork for months, then goto his home country and have the local Govt go and behead/dismember his entire family and feed them to Pigs while recording it on video tape.


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