To the dance music producers here, I am just about to release a track 0n-line via 2 of the major on-line stores.
After a long time trying.

Something occured to me when listening to some tracks by DARUDE on a double album of his.
He seems to have just over 2 milliseconds space before the track starts, for all the tracks. Must be some insight.

Some other producers have a longer but quick up beat space before the track starts.

These are tracks on CD's though.

IF one delivers to Beatport a wav file, do Djs prefer absolute no gap before the track starts.
I am not a DJ and dont want to waste Dj's time cueing my track, just would love them to be able to press play and it starts, or am i fussing about nothing here?

DJs will find the first kick on their own if they have so much as a shred of competence.

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I prefer no gap imo, especially when I'm warping in Live.

its strange that Darude gives a just over 2 millisecond gap and not a no gap before the track.

Maybe he has worked out the human finger reaction time or something like that.

But it seems consistent in his tracks. I should ask him, hey hey.

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Originally posted by technomonster I am not a DJ and dont want to waste Dj's time cueing my track, just would love them to be able to press play and it starts, or am i fussing about nothing here?

Don't take djs into consideration when producing. They have it too easy already anyway.

I loved what Theo Parrish said in an interview:

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How is the CD different? When you went in to make it, how were you approaching it? I ended up completing about forty songs over the course of two-and-a-half years and so, in mixing those songs, making different versions and figuring out which ones can form a cohesive piece, I eventually figured out which ones I wanted to do for the vinyl and I figured out which ones I wanted to do for the CD. The goal, in the end, was that I wanted the whole album to play as one piece. So the track IDs are intuitive. That means that if you try to download this album, it's going to be hell to try to get all of the songs starting from the beginning. I wanted to make it a little difficult for these CD Jockeys I hear too. So if you pick up the CD, there's a little surprise. It's been kind of fun to see who picks up on that surprise. Not many have yet. One distributor did so far and a few of my buddies have picked up on it. But most people haven't…or they know that's part of how I get down. [laughs] I'll probably release some CD numbers sans surprise in the future, but in much lower numbers. I really appreciate the idea of messing with people who are trying to use these shortcuts. Or are trying to make it too easy. Yeah! You gotta shake it up if you feel like there is something wrong, you know? I don't think there's anything wrong with technology. I don't think there's anything wrong with making your life more convenient. I think there is something wrong with taking the sacrificial part out of making art. Art is not supposed to be easy. You should have to make difficult decisions, like, "Okay, do I kick it with my friends or do I stay at home and chop this beat up?" "Do I quit my job and express myself with the hope of making ends meet?" "Do I make something everybody can play easily or do I throw a middle finger up to all the bland BS that's getting on my nerves?"

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Originally posted by paulandrews Don't take djs into consideration when producing. They have it too easy already anyway.

exactly... in the old days deejays could mix pretty much anything into anything and make it sound seamless. no matter what the tempo or what genre they are, trance house techno breakbeat ambient whatever.

today's deejays are all bunch of pussies.. first you had make tracks to certain tempo so they are easier to mix with other tracks (anjunabeats fanboy deejays prefer 138 so they don't have to use pitch at all). then you had to make long enough intros and outros, 30 seconds wasn't enough, you need atleast a minute. and then they decided you can't have bass in the intro or outro parts, cause using eq is just way too hard. and now you're telling that producers need to start the beat exactly from the start, so deejays don't have to cue anymore...

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Older trance tracks often didn't have intros/outros at all, they would start or end in a breakdown, or sometimes even with tempo changes. Now that inspired some original mixing.

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Actually,
My track starts with a kick drum and abit of bass on the first beat.

Apparently some CD players might miss the first beat and giving 2 ms gives time for the mechanism to get it right if needed.

Its interesting that some have mentioned that a gap before the opening kick allows for scratching the first beat.

The genre i am producing is more trance like, so maybe not needed like for instance in hip hop or as a vynil release.

It will be released on CD and as .wav file on Juno Records and Beatport.

Currently it has a 28 ms silence and that was simply what happened when it was bounced into stereo.

After discussions manybe a sum like 28
ms is not long enough or too long.
Like not quite here and there.