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nefardec
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Theo Parrish Inteview (or racism in dance music)

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Q: Before there was Elvis and rock and roll there was “race music” and Chess records. Before there was Benny Goodman there was ragtime and blues. Given the long standing pattern of “black roots, white fruits” in western music, has dance music fallen prey to this concept more or less than other genres in history?

A: I wouldn’t say its ‘fallen prey’, Id say this has been going on so long, its expected to eventually happen in every known musical discipline, but that doesn’t make it less of a crime, or less irritating. Today, things are just more complicated in terms of the way people try to coexist, but when you get down to basic social dynamics, its not different. The music industry , like most huge industries, is owned by white men. Black men and women(musicians) tend to provide the labor(talent) that makes the product(songs). This isn’t a mystery and nor is it shocking since everyone white, black and otherwise living in the western world lives their respective lives with slavery as a backdrop to everything they do. White folks at their worst will deny it, Black people at their worst will use it as an excuse for stagnation. White people at their best will know of the historical imbalance socially, and act with that in mind when dealing amongst each other and with black folks. Black people at their best will know what is stacked against them, stay motivated anyway, and try not to let cynicism eat them when they deal with White people and each other.

I don’t believe in genre titles. I don’t think they actually describe any kind of music accurately, but I do know the industry uses these divisions to sell stuff and pimp people. In the music industry, each genre has its own pre set roles for Black people to play a part in. Hip hop/rap :as long as your theme is materialistic, violent, or sexual, you can get in. W’ell allow no more than 5 conscious acts per 100(The Roots/Common/Talib Kweli/Mos Def/Lauren Hill. We’ll allow one white rapper per 1000, but he’ll be massive.(Eminem) We’ll fool you into thinking you’ll make some money, and you might if actual sales out do the enormous advances we’ll give you, which is rare. You’ll mainly get paid from tours. You’ll use our management who’ll suggest our lawyers, who’ll sign you up for our suggested stock options, real estate purchases, and life insurance policies. If you get bored with the content of your output and threaten to change direction as an artist , well threaten to pull your budget. If you’re less materialistic than that or if you are so successful that large amounts of black men with guns and not much to lose listen and believe everything you say, If you recognize that and are smart enough to possibly have a plan for them, we’ll have you killed, make you a ‘hood’ martyr, and make money off your product for decades long after your gone. Were not trying to be sponsors of a revolution here…(Tupac/Biggie) Rock/ alt: You can be a black lead singer, but must have a white band (Rufus&Chaka Khan/Tower of Power). Your content absolutely must not have anything to do with social injustices or race, period.(Hootie and the Blowfish).But you can be an all white band with a socially responsible message(Rage Against the Machine) Or of course you could be a white lead singer with a black band, but its a harder sell. Well allow it. Its an easier sell if its a White girl with a culturally mixed backing band(No Doubt).

We’ll allow 3 all black bands per 1000, but we’ll create a subgenre for them ,Rastarock. (Living Colour/Bad Brains/Fishbone)Reggae: Industry still making money off of Bob Marley and his kids, and they’ll probaly keep doing so until their kids pick up instuments. Hence, no new industry supported reggae acts, tons of underground subgenres, though. Country music: not an option, you’re not allowed. R&B: No problem, come on in. No social commentary. Black Sex/love/fun songs only. You must sing and dance, and later sell various soda & automobile products as well. High school graduates a plus. We’ll create a subgenre called neo soul for all of the older, smarter, more talented(D,angelo/Angie Stone/Jill Scott). with a much more limited budget. Pop/commercial: Love/fun/sex songs only. No social commentary. You must dance.You must stay in top physical shape. You must never get old(Madonna). We’ll allow 1 black male artist from R&b to crossover at a time into this genre(Usher) Jazz: anything goes, but well have subgenres for every possible variation not a real moneymaker anymore, so we (the industry) don’t care, you’re not gonna get much of a budget. .Gospel: content must be god oriented of course. But no sexuality and no instrumentals and theres a subgenre for white artists in gospel, Christian contemporary. As for commercial dance music: we’re not allowed. White skinny dudes from the uk or france are preferred(Jamiroquai/Moby), but generally an underground dance artist has to do commercial dance numbers for us to care.(Goldie/Carl Cox)

Underground dance music, which is not controlled by the industry directly, is where we exist, but also have a lot of control, because to get music out we have to start our own labels usually. But the copying goes on here the worst. We don’t have a lot of protection against thieves because their aren’t a lot of lawyers, because there’s usually just enough money for the artists to survive on, unless you helped father the form. There aren’t managers suggesting to artists to do white versions of black songs, but there are white artists with labels doing it on their own. This is one of the few places a thief will try to copy your music, then send it to you calling it a tribute in hopes of you endorsing it. They’ll find the sources of your samples if you use them, and use them verbatim, then try to cash in on your previous successes. The Black producers in this form are a lot closer knit, so there’s a lot of respect for the other producers doing it, and there’s a shared philosophy of innovation as a supreme ethic, you simply would lose respect from your contemporaries if you tried to use the same sources as they did for sampling. The thieves, usually white, are typically the culprits of this phenomena. Its almost as if they want to convince the buying market that since they sampled from where you did then they must be just like YOU, only white! Once they get it ready to put out, they’ll use pictures of little black children, and black women with afros- things they never could be, and never have been -on their cover art to help complete the illusion of having a truly down, soulful product to offer the market. Sometimes they’ll outright sample YOUR song, and copy your drumpattern, send it to a magazine and some adjective limited writer will say the copy sounds ’so-and-so esque’, never making that artist stand on their own, letting the thief who made it ride on the back of original artists.

The curtain that supposedly hides all this is the bullshit illusion that dance music has no race, no gender, that its about the celebration of some sort of utopian concept. This mere notion wasn’t even circulated until some white folks were made to feel uncomfortable at a party they had no business being at, and came face to face with the fact that this music like all other music is originated on african/black experience, and that perhaps they were very much like every other Elvis and Eminem that ever came or went, That perhaps they too, are tourists, but they still want to be superstar-dj-such-and-such. The issue is that its simply too easy to get into dance music without having to pay dues in dedication. There are a few non black underground dance artists that simply have gravitated to the form because its as free a musical form as you can get. They don’t even care who their music sounds like, they are just trying to express themselves honestly and truthfully. I’m not talking about them. They are rare and appreciated. They are original. Whatever success they garner is deserved.

So, in a nutshell, its more like black roots, black fruits, stolen seeds studied, copied and planted… That’s life in the western world. That’s how I see it.


what do you think? i think he's pretty much right on, while maybe a much much better musician than debater

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david.michael
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Damn. No COR version in MD. I'll have to read this one later when I'm feeling up to it.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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While I largely agree with him on the creative issue with respect to a lot of popular music, including dance music, surely he realizes that the phenomenon of labels fucking over artists has been happening to people of all races ever since labels began, simply because the business mentality and artistic mentality have very little in common, and the former will often outwit the latter in an economic arrangement due to its single-minded focus on the bottom line.

The label bosses are worrying about what they think will sell, and historically many of them have unfortunately thought that people would only buy black art if it fit into certain categories or was performed by a white person, as he notes.

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Konijn
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late '80s-style affirmations of black nationalism sprinkled over truisms regarding the music industry. nothing interesting here.

and since when are rage against the machine an "all white band"?


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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by Konijn
and since when are rage against the machine an "all white band"?

Since Zack de la Rocha stopped being Chicano, I guess.

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Bayou Boy
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"The curtain that supposedly hides all this is the bullshit illusion that dance music has no race, no gender, that its about the celebration of some sort of utopian concept. This mere notion wasn’t even circulated until some white folks were made to feel uncomfortable at a party they had no business being at, and came face to face with the fact that this music like all other music is originated on african/black experience, and that perhaps they were very much like every other Elvis and Eminem that ever came or went, That perhaps they too, are tourists, but they still want to be superstar-dj-such-and-such."

This guy is a fucking idiot. I'm so tired of this black oppression crap. I googled this guy and it looks like he's doing rather well. He has some tour dates and a good bit of releases, more than most white dj/producers.

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nefardec
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wow

you just revealed yourself as musically ignorant and culturally bigoted

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MrJiveBoJingles
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I thought the "tourists" thing was a bit much as well. Remarks like that are as needlessly antagonistic as referring to black or Asian musicians or listeners as "tourists" in the domain of classical music.

You can recognize that one race originated an art form without simultaneously brushing off anyone else who tries to have a crack at it.

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quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I thought the "tourists" thing was a bit much as well. Remarks like that are as needlessly antagonistic as referring to black or Asian musicians or listeners as "tourists" in the domain of classical music.

You can recognize that one race originated an art form without simultaneously brushing off anyone else who tries to have a crack at it.



i agree, thats why i said in the OP 'he's a better musician than debater'

anyways you have to recognize his life experience living this first hand from the early days in detroit and chicago. it's easy to sit on your computer and criticize someone whose life you can't identify with.


i think the main thing is he was asked a really really loaded question, and the interviewers were fishing for an answer like this.

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stevsto
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it began ... in africa-ca-ca-ca.

heh.

music today borrows from everything from classical music, irish folk music, to asian music, latin music or middle eastern belly dancing, etc etc, all of which was born and bred with zero african influence. he's putting way too much stock in black influence, its just one source of ideas, not all of it comes from black people.

the original detroiters bitching and creating conspiracy theories is a recent phenomenon. they really need to quit this bs, its making them look bad. we're just tolerating it because of all the respect we give them for supposedly inventing techno. someone needs to tell them to start making good music again or stfu.

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nefardec
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they're getting cranky because everyone's copying off them now and they're not getting anything


i thought this was one of the best points theo made:

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The thieves, usually white, are typically the culprits of this phenomena. Its almost as if they want to convince the buying market that since they sampled from where you did then they must be just like YOU, only white! Once they get it ready to put out, they’ll use pictures of little black children, and black women with afros- things they never could be, and never have been -on their cover art to help complete the illusion of having a truly down, soulful product to offer the market. Sometimes they’ll outright sample YOUR song, and copy your drumpattern, send it to a magazine and some adjective limited writer will say the copy sounds ’so-and-so esque’, never making that artist stand on their own, letting the thief who made it ride on the back of original artists.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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Well, most popular music today really did get its basic inspiration from the music of African-Americans. The harmonic vocabulary is mostly borrowed and simplified from European classical tradition (although there are some African influences in melody as well from blues etc.), of course, but the real backbone of most pop and dance music, the rhythmic content, is definitely African in origin.

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