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TSG
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Stones... the kind that suck!

Anyone here ever have kidney stones or maybe gallbladder stones? What was it like? All I know is they hurt like a motherFvcker!

Old Post Sep-12-2008 19:04  Oman
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72hrpartyanimal
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Re: Stones... the kind that suck!

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Anyone here ever have kidney stones or maybe gallbladder stones? What was it like? All I know is they hurt like a motherFvcker!


why Trin? did you have a bad experience?


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mar46017
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I remember my father had kidney stones a couple times. And it did hurt like a mo fo!!!

I also remember he kept throwing up after they removed them.

I hear it could be genetic. Hope I am not next!


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Drink more water, stop drinking soda. That'll help a lot.


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Dont eat alot of pepper.


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have u gone to the doc yet trin?

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Avoid ice tea at all costs unless you make them yourself and with low sugar. Drink a lot of lemonade!

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Summer Tips to Avoid Kidney Stones
Doctors explain why hot weather can sometimes be a factor in the painful condition.
By Star Lawrence
WebMD Feature
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

This is a pain you never want to feel. Women say it's worse than labor pains. A kidney stone is a sharp piece of matter lodged in your delicate and nerve-rich urinary tract, which has spasms and tries to expel it. Ow!

And this condition tends to happen more often in summer. A summer diet of barbecue -- and extreme sweating that substitutes for urination -- can be the kidney stone's best friend.

"Extreme pain," confirms Wendy Weinstock Brown, MD, chief of staff of the VA Tennessee Valley Health Care System and a professor of medicine at Vanderbilt University and Meharry Medical College. "That's why people come in. My dentist even called me at 3:00 in the morning when he had a kidney stone," she tells WebMD.
What Causes the Agony?

Bryan N. Becker, MD, head of nephrology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, says the "profound degree of pain" can radiate down the side and belly and can be accompanied by nausea and vomiting. "It cycles," he tells WebMD. "It lets up, starts again."

Kidney stones usually contain the mineral calcium, says Becker. The stones result when a person has a slight problem with how calcium traverses the kidney and the millions of cleansing tubes in there that are filtering out waste. Infection can also cause stones to build up, or a person may get a backup of uric acid, a normal substance in the body that can increase with ingestion of meats and alcohol, among other things. Uric acid can crystallize and form stones.

"A large percentage of people have calcium in their kidneys they never know about," Becker says.

"The stones are made up of lots of things," Jerry Yee, MD, division head of nephrology and hypertension at the Henry Ford Hospital, tells WebMD. "Calcium, phosphate, uric acid, oxalate --all things we eat." Usually, if this is going to crystallize and attach to other elements in the urinary tract and form a stone, this happens in midlife, between age 25 and 50, he says.
Who Is Most Likely to Get Stones?

Although some doctors maintain that summer is the time when most people will experience a kidney stone, Becker says he has not seen data proving this. "I do know," he says, "they call the Southeast the stone belt."

Brown says hot weather and dehydration are the culprits, so summer might be a likely time. "This is more common in the Southeast," she says. "But also among soldiers in Iraq."

How to Treat Kidney Stones

Often the pain of a kidney stone will land a person in the nearest ER, where narcotic painkillers may be required, Becker says.

The key is fluids. The patient will get IV fluids in an effort to flush the stone out. Small ones will pass on their own, although it is not comfortable.

If the stone is retrieved, Brown says, the lab can tell what it's made of and some dietary instructions for preventing a second episode can be issued.

If the stone is too big to pass and is blocking urine (a situation which can cause damage to the kidney), it may be broken up by sound waves. Or the doctor can insert a device into the urinary tract and grab the stone in a little unfolding basket and remove it. Surgery may also be necessary for some stones.
Prevention

The best way to experience a kidney stone is to never experience one. The key is fluids, especially in hot weather. "You should be excreting 2 liters of urine a day," Yee recommends. "That is equal to eight soda cans worth of urine. Of course, you will be taking in much more."

* Water is the best fluid to drink, Brown says. "Not mineral water, either. Think of it -- more minerals."
* Becker advocates drinking lemonade.
* All agreed grapefruit juice probably was not the liquid of choice. Avoid that.
* There is no need to restrict dietary calcium, for example in milk, Becker says.
* Stay well hydrated.
* Drink fluids consistently all day, not just in big binges, Yee says.
* He also recommends restricting sodium (there goes the meat and the barbecue sauce!).

If you have ever tried to pass a stone, the doctors say, redoubling efforts to drink a lot of water and eat less salt and meat -- especially in summer -- should be no problem.

More men than women get kidney stones. A typical sufferer might be a jackhammer operator -- hours in the heat, then home to a steak dinner.

If he has not been consuming gallons of water during the day, it might be an interesting evening.

For optimal kidney health, it also doesn't hurt to exercise and keep your blood pressure in normal range.

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spinvinyl
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I had kidney stones almost 1 year ago. It started out as pretty bad pain but somewhat bearable (I'm use to severe pain from my ulcers). I just tried to ignore it for a day by taking vicodin but it didn't go away. The 2nd day I was hurting so bad I was vomiting and could barely move. I took more pain killer, waited for it to kick in and drove myself to the ER. After a CT scan is when I found out I was passing a 3+mm kidney stone. The bad news was that there was a 5+mm stone still in my kidney. After getting a ton of pain killer via IV, they sent me home with more pain killer and a strainer. I passed the small stone the next day. I went to a urologist a few days later to address the 5mm stone. Unfortunately a stone that size is too large to even pass so lithotripsy is required. Basically they put you under, insert a 2 foot long thin probe up the penis, through the bladder, and into the kidney. First they inject dye into the kidney so they can better see the stone with the imaging machine. Once they locate the stone they shoot an ultrasonic beam through the side of your chest (in between your ribs) and dissolve the stone. This can take several attempts depending on the size and density of the stone. After this they flush out the kidney as much as possible to remove the sand like particles. In some cases they have to leave the probe in you but that is rare. After the surgery you have to drink a lot of fluids to flush out the remaining particles and blood, this last for about a week. Every time you go to urinate it feels like a flamethrower, by far the worst part of the ordeal. Also don't have sex if you're a guy, I made this mistake since the doc didn't say anything about it. Everything was going good until the end, again it felt like fire coming out.

Kidney stones are usually caused by high levels of oxalate that combine with calcium. Reducing your oxalate intake is key. There are many foods high in oxalate but the ones I was eating were chocolate, apple juice, and nuts. I cut out everything except some chocolate and started drinking lemonade everyday. So far I haven't been building any new stones.

If you know you have a stone I would get it taken care of, the pain is not something you want to deal with, specially if you're travelling, etc. My dad had one hit him on an airplane and he had to be carried off.

Ok that's my story

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Every time you go to urinate it feels like a flamethrower, by far the worst part of the ordeal. Also don't have sex if you're a guy, I made this mistake since the doc didn't say anything about it. Everything was going good until the end, again it felt like fire coming out.



oh yikes!!!!!

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SillySilvia
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Registered: May 2005
Location: Santa Clarita,CA

Trin, I bet you have gallstones.

I had 'em when I was pregnant with my girl. No dairy, no acidy foods, no spicy foods, no fried foods. My dr. told me latina, over weight(not that you are but I was at the time), WOMEN are no strangers to gallstone problems. That pain WAS worse than child labor. Surgery is your best bet to have a normal "eating" life again.

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TSG
"Trinity"



Registered: Oct 2004
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Hello!

I'm alive and I just got home a bit ago. I did end up at the ER about 1 hr after I posted this thread. Luckily, no stones for me but the pain, I imagined, was probably just as bad as having stones... definitely worse than labor pains! Looks like the problem that I already have did a number on me this time.

They did want to insert a catheter in me but I said hell NO!

I was pretty much back to normal after I was given an IV along with some pain medications. *whew* What a freakin relief!



TBC....

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