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Domesticated
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Armin van Buuren's productions

Question: does van Buuren produce his own stuff, or does he have a horde of studio monkeys doing his bidding?

As much criticism as he cops on here for his DJing (which I'm not particularly enamoured with after the last few performances I've seen either), I think some of his productions are very enjoyable, both in a musical and a technical sense, while some others are quite poor musically.

I have a wave copy of Shivers which I'm listening to, and the mastering and clarity of sound is just unbelievably good, even on the shitty computer speakers I'm using. Trance is perhaps easier to separate sounds into discrete, non-clashing frequencies than other genres, but I'm still very impressed.

I find that a lot of producers manage to achieve great clarity but over-compress/overproduce their tracks in the process. It's personal preference, as some also like their tracks a little muddy (fuck you John Fleming and fuck you also, Wizzy Noise), but I think van Buuren has achieved a great middle ground with his work.

Musically, I can understand true trance lovers hating him with good reason, and I strongly dislike some of his stuff also. However, the main complaint I hear about "modern" trance is the lack of subtlety and lack of ability to actually "entrance" the listener.

Although Shivers does have vocals, the bassline is extraordinarily hypnotic and smooth in the first half of the track, but then perhaps becomes a bit overblown and epic during the *ahem* long breakdown. I really like the vocals though, and this is coming from someone that generally hates vocals in any electronic genre bar house.

To summarise: I don't think Armin is as shit as everyone likes to say he is, and even if you hate his music and his annoying PLUR attitude, you can appreciate his audio engineering skills.


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Re: Armin van Buuren's productions

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Question: does van Buuren produce his own stuff, or does he have a horde of studio monkeys doing his bidding?
Trance is perhaps easier to separate sounds into discrete, non-clashing frequencies than other genres, but I'm still very impressed.


Trance is pretty hard to get sounding right. Lots of delays and reverb and big synths eating up head room. Busy basslines and booming kicks. It's tough to get everything to work together, and still have clarity.

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I find that a lot of producers manage to achieve great clarity but over-compress/overproduce their tracks in the process. It's personal preference, as some also like their tracks a little muddy (fuck you John Fleming and fuck you also, Wizzy Noise), but I think van Buuren has achieved a great middle ground with his work.


I agree on this point I like j00f, but some tracks he plays (digital blonde) are so fucking horrible to listen to. So muddy and lofi, it takes all of the musical merit away for me. The only exception being "Orga vs Red 1 - Forever" a gorgeous track, but my god it sounds like I made it. LOL.


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Re: Armin van Buuren's productions

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Question: does van Buuren produce his own stuff?



yes, he does.


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Re: Re: Armin van Buuren's productions

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I agree on this point I like j00f, but some tracks he plays (digital blonde) are so fucking horrible to listen to. So muddy and lofi, it takes all of the musical merit away for me. The only exception being "Orga vs Red 1 - Forever" a gorgeous track, but my god it sounds like I made it. LOL.


that would be because ricky prefers it to be that way, almost raw sounding, so I don't think he masters it to much if any level.

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on the note of overcompression, check out the dark matter remix of the sound of goodbye from the radio sample to the one that got released. the power went boom

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Re: Re: Armin van Buuren's productions

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I agree on this point I like j00f, but some tracks he plays (digital blonde) are so fucking horrible to listen to. So muddy and lofi, it takes all of the musical merit away for me. The only exception being "Orga vs Red 1 - Forever" a gorgeous track, but my god it sounds like I made it. LOL.



a wouldnt say digital blonde - legato horrible to listen to its awesome tune crasher anthem that is


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are you really comparing armin to j00f
AHAHAHAHAH
my god whats this world coming to...


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Armin had alot of help on his new album from various producers, which also is credited.

And about John 00 Flemings productions, as much as i love them i have to say they does not sound very clear, but rather muddy and dirty, i think that is intentional.


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yes, he does.


Awesome. I don't have to divide my disdain past the figurehead and focal point then.

Disdaaaaaaiiiinnnnnnnn

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Re: Re: Armin van Buuren's productions

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Trance is pretty hard to get sounding right.

I strongly disagree.


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Re: Re: Re: Armin van Buuren's productions

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I strongly disagree.


That's perfectly fine.


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