I have a request for anybody who's interested in giving me some practical technical advice: will somebody please put a together a brief tutorial on how to construct a sub-bass patch that will give the rumbling, yet clear sub-bass that is so common in many of today's dirty house and electro tracks? The kind of sound I am after is found in the following snippet: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
(samples from two of Sydney Blu's latest songs).
I've been struggling for a while now with trying to put together a sub-bass patch. I've worked through all the tips that others have suggested to me--including copying a bassline over to another channel and lowering the notes one (or more) octave(s), applying a bitcrusher, applying PSP Vintage Warmer, adding an unmodulated sine wave, etc.--but none of them has given me the sound that I'm after.
I know it's asking a lot, but what I'd really appreciate would be some advice detailing the following:
--which waveform(s) to start off with
--which filter(s) to apply and at what cut-off freq and resonance setting
--which plug-in(s) to apply and with what settings
--which are the most common notes played for a sub-bass?
I should clarify that I work with Ableton Live 7.
I'm available to chat on MSN at [email protected] if anybody is interested in giving me a little bit of help.
Please forgive me if this post somehow comes off as arrogant.
Thanks everybody
Oct-25-2008 14:35
junkie_vince
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Re: Making Sub-basses for Dirty House/Electro Tunes
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Cenik
samples from two of Sydney Blu's latest songs
Re: Making Sub-basses for Dirty House/Electro Tunes
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Cenik
I know it's asking a lot, but what I'd really appreciate would be some advice detailing the following:
--which waveform(s) to start off with
--which filter(s) to apply and at what cut-off freq and resonance setting
--which plug-in(s) to apply and with what settings
--which are the most common notes played for a sub-bass?
1. most sub basses are either square, triangle or sine.
2. cut off isn't super important, a lot of people use really good eqs with lots of pole positions to get the most out of the sub bass... especaially because you will eq a sub bass with a bandpass filter which is harder to dial in on a synth
3. shouldn't have to do much post processing work, the low end is typically very simple with few harmonics(and thats on purpose).
4. the tonic and or the exact same as the bassline but played an octave lower
quote:
Originally posted by junkie_vince
why don't you just ask her how she did it?
because he'd have to ask deadmau5 and i'll be damned if this thread turns in that direction... again.
Oct-26-2008 03:47
MSZ
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the first example sounds like mixed sine and saw. Second one sounds like deadmau5 made it; I have a hunch that its going through a tube amp of some sort but im pretty lost, and unhelpful :]
Oct-26-2008 04:20
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Oct-26-2008 10:50
Nicolas Oliver
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usually it's not about the gear. you can do everything with software. but i can tell you that if you do such kind of basslines on real analog synths you don't need much postprocessing. it's almost the instant sound of a moog synth in this examples.
Oct-26-2008 13:13
Watts
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If you have a synth that has a filter envelope you should be in business. I tried to recreate the sample (very poorly) from the second example:
I just used a saw wave (synced with a supersaw) on the JP-8080. My cut-off frequency is at the maximum (12 db filter), my filter envelope has the attack midway, and the decay and sustain about the same. The amp has a slight attack (JP-8080 filters give off an annoying popping noise -- you may not have to do this for your synth), mild decay and sustain, and a short release.
Hope that helps.
Edit: I also have an LFO routed to the filter.
Oct-26-2008 23:30
mysticalninja
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Here's a z3ta+ patch I made. I would have used the 3xOsc, but z3ta+ has the ability to choose the phase of the LFO as well as re-triggering (which would be nice for the 3xOsc). Throw some light side chaining on it and presto.
