I've used various iterations of cubase, logic and FL. I get the best results I've ever had from FL8. I think the new colimeric appearance parametric EQ in FL8 is excellent and gives you complete control over the dynamics of the master.

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Originally posted by Prototrance I've used various iterations of cubase, logic and FL. I get the best results I've ever had from FL8. I think the new colimeric appearance parametric EQ in FL8 is excellent and gives you complete control over the dynamics of the master.

yeah ive been told fl8 the best out there at the mo but me aint got fl8 so.

u could render all your channels to wav and put it inside a diferent wav just to somehow start with fresh sheets again, eqing, compressing, panning leveling like a phase two in the production. i have rarely done this but just started thinking about it making my music in reason, rendering importing to logic and try mixing there.

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Originally posted by palm u could render all your channels to wav and put it inside a diferent wav just to somehow start with fresh sheets again, eqing, compressing, panning leveling like a phase two in the production. i have rarely done this but just started thinking about it making my music in reason, rendering importing to logic and try mixing there.

yeah makes sence as i said i have acid pro 6 now to and my thinking was once ive made the tune in fl lay down the wav files in acid and take it from there.

it just comes down to which company wants to spend the money on R & D for better algorithms in the program. im not sure how the new fruity loops is, but with 4 and 6 which i previously used, the rendering engine sucked. that doesnt mean you cant make it sound good, but if you export everything to wave and mix it down somewhere else, it would probably sound a bit better. just be sure to encode the multitracks as the highest quality (like 24bit 44.1) so you dont have to dither the tracks more than once.

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Originally posted by hadi ****** if you export everything to wave and mix it down somewhere else, it would probably sound a bit better.

No.

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Originally posted by Eldritch No.

why not? if you export it dry and uncompressed?

What you are reffering to is summing. I personally cannot tell the difference between something summed in cubase, logic etc. Anyone who tells you they can are probably imagining it.

It is the same with people who say individual channels souldn't go into the red when mixing. If you are working in a 24-bit environment you can go well into the red. Pushing the channels well into the red then pulling down the master fader IS the same as mixing channels at lower levels and leaving the master fader to a certain extent. this can be proved by null tests etc.

The only software summing where ive noticed a difference in quality was when i was using the early versions of reason years ago. Everything summed in reason had a slightly muddy sound. not sure how it is nowadays though.

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Originally posted by Eldritch No.

you shouldn't quote sentences out of context! and yes, the summing engine sounds different in every daw.

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Originally posted by dannib What you are reffering to is summing. I personally cannot tell the difference between something summed in cubase, logic etc. Anyone who tells you they can are probably imagining it. It is the same with people who say individual channels souldn't go into the red when mixing. If you are working in a 24-bit environment you can go well into the red. Pushing the channels well into the red then pulling down the master fader IS the same as mixing channels at lower levels and leaving the master fader to a certain extent. this can be proved by null tests etc. The only software summing where ive noticed a difference in quality was when i was using the early versions of reason years ago. Everything summed in reason had a slightly muddy sound. not sure how it is nowadays though.

well i dont know if going into the red is the best idea, but in a 24bit environment has a much higher amplitude than 16bit (144db vs 96) but lets say you are clipping on each channel and bring down the master fader, i realize the master is a summing bus, but won't it clip the individual channel?

There is no evidence that suggest, that the summing is different from daw to daw. In fact, the opposite is quite well documented. There were no difference between daws, except the cubase and nuendo render. The ones from the steinberg daws didn´t null perfectly, but that could be due to slightly different panning laws.