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shaolin_Z
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
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Other that the obvious (that is some f-ed up shit), I must say I'm quite surprised. I'm even more surprised that this story made it to a mainstream Israeli publication like haaretz. For what it's worth, despite the tragedy and crisis that is currently status quo, that very reality in and of itself reflects that these atrocities are not going unnoticed or unacknowledged by the conscience of Israel (i.e. the people who actually care about human life).
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Nice--clothes featuring [fetus]-killing and desecrated religious strucures, now that's a fashion I can enthusiastically get on board with!  |
Your enthusiasm is revealing. Well, at least the IDF is being honest for once... and it appears you endorse that sentiment.
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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
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Mar-22-2009 21:25
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jerZ07002
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Registered: Dec 2006
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| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Other that the obvious (that is some f-ed up shit), I must say I'm quite surprised. I'm even more surprised that this story made it to a mainstream Israeli publication like haaretz. |
I pretty much skimmed the article, but it seemed to be pretty factually based (i.e., not an op piece). While I can't be certain, it seems the motivation of the author was to bring what he views as objectionable into the public eye. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of publishing such a piece? Without saying as much, I think the publication was trying to bring this practice to light with the hope that it would end. But, that's only my view on this piece (keep in mind, i didn't read every word in the article).
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Mar-23-2009 03:27
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hardcore trancer
Mystic Mind

Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada
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Mar-24-2009 00:00
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jerZ07002
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Dec 2006
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| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
No wonder everyone fuckin hates them. |
Speak for yourself - no wonder YOU hate them. I don't hate either side. On the contrary, I understand the position of both sides, but support neither side. Just as there are Israelis who champion the message on the shirt and Israelis who denounce that mentality, there are Palestinians who support killing innocent Israelis and Palestinians who denounce such actions. I'd venture to say that if the sentiments aren't shared by the same percentages on each side, it is slightly more likely that Palestinians are more apt to support the killing of innocent people to further their goals (however righteous those goals may be).
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Mar-24-2009 03:13
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jerZ07002
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Dec 2006
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| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
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Yes , and the last war / masacre in Gaza proves your point ..... !!!
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proves what? your response has nothing to do with the sentiment of the people. The civilians that were killed was a consequence of collateral damage, not intentional killings. And, the vast majority of Israeli citizens were not cheering the death of palestinian children. On the other hand, suicide bombers who target civilians get a heroes funeral from average palestinians. I'm not saying Israeli soldiers don't get the same, but for the most part, the killing of Palestinian civilians is unintentional (and a result of the palestinian militants using the people to further their goal to make israel look bad internationally), whereas the israeli civilian is the target (even though few israelis die, if palestinians had israeli weapons you could be sure the number of israeli deaths would increase dramatically). The only reason the death tolls are so disparate, as I allude to in the parenthetical above, is that palestinians make bombs out of fertilizer. If they had 1000 tons lazer guided bombs, who knows how many israeli civlians would be dead. My guess is the number would be much higher than the number of palestinians.
/end of discussion (because people like yourself don't see both sides of the issue and feel your are morally correct regardless of the truth).
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Mar-24-2009 13:25
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