two things.. ive been reading the tutorials about supersaws but i cant seem to make a good enough supersaw on reason using the thor.
if anyone can help please do .. ive followed the directions and done the whole detuning 7 saws n all that and it still sounds quite poor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO3NDPl_We0

this guy made it on pro 53..

i do have this synth but dont really use it much.. so im hoping to learn how to make it the same but on thor.

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and secondly.. in alot of trance songs now days they use that appegiated sound bring it up from nothing using the filter and open it up...

i use reason rewired into logic so i mainly use reasons appegiator but logics effects

quickest sample i could find is this one at 1:16
http://refx.com/downloads/Vanguard/Vanguard.mp3

any help would be appreciated

Instead of a bunch of Analog Oscs, try one or two Multi Oscs.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 two things.. ive been reading the tutorials about supersaws but i cant seem to make a good enough supersaw on reason using the thor. if anyone can help please do .. ive followed the directions and done the whole detuning 7 saws n all that and it still sounds quite poor.

Supersaws are indeed basicly a bunch of saw waveforms stacked together and detuned. The JP80x has this as a standard waveform, which are 6 saws stacked together. I have no experience with Thor whatsover, but you can try to stack sawtooths on top of eachother and detuning them. What also might help is turning on Unison mode. Make sure that the amp envelope has the correct setting, I would sortof say A=0, D=full, S=full and R=30 (or something like that). Make sure there's lots of reverb on the sounds, 9 out 10 times, it's the FX that make the sound.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 and secondly.. in alot of trance songs now days they use that appegiated sound bring it up from nothing using the filter and open it up... i use reason rewired into logic so i mainly use reasons appegiator but logics effects

Just automate a high or low pass filter, this is pretty easy and can surely be done in reason, you don't need logic for that.

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Originally posted by Theran Supersaws are indeed basicly a bunch of saw waveforms stacked together and detuned. The JP80x has this as a standard waveform, which are 6 saws stacked together. I have no experience with Thor whatsover, but you can try to stack sawtooths on top of eachother and detuning them. What also might help is turning on Unison mode. Make sure that the amp envelope has the correct setting, I would sortof say A=0, D=full, S=full and R=30 (or something like that). Make sure there's lots of reverb on the sounds, 9 out 10 times, it's the FX that make the sound. Just automate a high or low pass filter, this is pretty easy and can surely be done in reason, you don't need logic for that.

What Theran says is extremely true. Supersaws are not hard to make (Although good ones requires some skill) . To make it simple ,
1)Load up 2 or 3 sawtooths ,
2)Detune them to liking (It should start to sound like a supersaw now)
3)Use the legendary Unison mode , probaly 4x or 8x if you want phatter sounds.
If you dont have Unison on Thor (Thor should have a unison mode i think.) , You can always try chorus thou Unison is always better.

And that vanguard sample is simply a 'arping supersaw' , basically you get a supersaw and set its decay to 0 , while messing with the substain.

PS : One of those Vanguard tunes sounds like Gouryella - Ligaya .

Thor's supersaw match the top competitors. In fact, I think my example of DL: Airwave's Rank 1 is pretty close to the original.

Just use the multiosc's, delay, reverb, EQ with the standard LP filter and you have your proper JP80x0 in Reason.

I did not use any chorus for the mp3

Remember reason has the extreme unison: a duplicate device button, with a combinator device that can control the parameters you need. You can pan and pitch the duplicate device, giving you all possible control you can image over the unison.

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Originally posted by DeZmA Thor's supersaw match the top competitors. In fact, I think my example of DL: Airwave's Rank 1 is pretty close to the original. Just use the multiosc's, delay, reverb, EQ with the standard LP filter and you have your proper JP80x0 in Reason. I did not use any chorus for the mp3 Remember reason has the extreme unison: a duplicate device button, with a combinator device that can control the parameters you need. You can pan and pitch the duplicate device, giving you all possible control you can image over the unison.

THATS AMAZING haha serious ... it does sound exactly like it lol...

Last edited by johncannons1 on Mar-30-2009 at 06:38