Looking for some good tips or a program (that isn't ridiculously priced) to help make the low ends shine. More interested in the tips part because it's not hard to do it with mastering tools. FWIW I use Ableton.

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Hey Stephen.
I have a couple tips but you should be able to find lots of info using the search function

Firstly roll off low frequencies from all your tracks except your kick and bassline including your pad sounds... you can always add in lower end during your breakdowns.
Secondly..lol don't overdo it on the the reverb with your low end sounds.This will bring the sounds forward in the mix.Keep your lower bass and kick mono as well.
If you are programming your own sounds make sure to add some key tracking to your programs such that the lower you play down the keyboard the notes get a slight increase in volume.This will combat the natural "quieting" of your bass when your bassline drops.
Lastly be sure to compress your sounds.. There's a nice tutorial on here by David West callet "The perfect Kick" which will help alot

Well i hope this helps... I think its important to get all these things right during the production phase.
Wayne B

Its all about the source of the sound.

With a good source of bass sound you don`t really have to do much with it at all.

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Oh... as for software I recommend PSP Vintage Warmer and BBE Sonic Maximizer. Also you must get Izotope Vinyl, It's free of charge, you just have to register via email.

usually the words bass & shine aren't in the same sentence. most people want their high end to shine. are you saying you want your bass to come thru more clearly?

eq with keytrack (on baselines ofcourse)

There is no such thing as a program to let the low end 'shine'. It's all a matter of proper mixing!

And a little tip, don't let anything come under 130 - 150Hz so you can keep that clear for the kick+(sub)bass.

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the wording is a little strange. Bass and Shine are seldom used together.

You have an example of what you are trying to achieve ?

Best way is have good monitoring, with good monitoring you can't go wrong. Since bass is more of energy and feel portion of the track, and if you can feel it right, and hear it right, then you will have great bass. You have to know your monitors if you dont have the best bass feeling monitors.

As far as making them stand out, hi-pass cut as many tracks that are eating up 40-150hz frequencies that they should not be eating. Create space, and if the bass has higher frequencies during the attack phase, make sure you add some eq gain where it might need it in, usually somewhere between 1000khz-3000khz, so it stands out.

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By shine I just meant clarity. I do roll off frequencies on all my tracks, even the bassline and sometimes the kick depending on which i'm using.

ill check out izotope vinyl.

i am doing all the obvious things like layering. One thing I have found to be quite helpful is parallel compression on the kick (and most all drums). I don't have too much trouble sitting a kick in a mix at the moment (knock on wood). I usually run them anywhere from 60-100hz (usually closer to 100.) Where I'm starting to run into problems is with the bass. To the poster who recommended raising the volume on lower notes, that is a great suggestion and can't believe I didn't think of it (it makes a lot of sense as lower frequencies are softer.) You would think compression would help with this, but I will def. check it out when I am back in the studio.

For the bassline, I compress it fairly hard and have been toying with some big band pass filters to help with frequency isolation but I'm not getting the type of results I was expecting. (Anybody ever try this with success?)

Are there any frequencies in the higher range that are notorious for effecting a bass line? I've read that boosting around 2 - 3 khz will make a bassline more snappy but I honestly don't hear shit when I boost there.

As for the source, of course I'm using good sources I've got some wicked virus sound fonts and I've created some sick patches in Blue. At this point I *think* it's more about EQing and proper use of FX. I'm still learning how each Ableton effect works on different instruments and frequencies and I'm guessing once I learn more about this I'll be able to improve the bass sound along with the rest. I really like the Saturator in Ableton but I don't ever hear anybody else talking about it? (I even think it sounds good on the master sometimes. I import all my DJ mixes to Ableton and apply a little Saturation to them along with the usual mastering)

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clarity in bass is usually achieved by boosting the mid highs. But it is a trade off. A boost in the highs will make the bass area less pronounced. You mentioned that you tried this tho.

if it isn't working, then get a new bass sound, or change your arrangement. Life is too short

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley By shine I just meant clarity. I do roll off frequencies on all my tracks, even the bassline and sometimes the kick depending on which i'm using. ill check out izotope vinyl. i am doing all the obvious things like layering. One thing I have found to be quite helpful is parallel compression on the kick (and most all drums). I don't have too much trouble sitting a kick in a mix at the moment (knock on wood). I usually run them anywhere from 60-100hz (usually closer to 100.) Where I'm starting to run into problems is with the bass. To the poster who recommended raising the volume on lower notes, that is a great suggestion and can't believe I didn't think of it (it makes a lot of sense as lower frequencies are softer.) You would think compression would help with this, but I will def. check it out when I am back in the studio. For the bassline, I compress it fairly hard and have been toying with some big band pass filters to help with frequency isolation but I'm not getting the type of results I was expecting. (Anybody ever try this with success?) Are there any frequencies in the higher range that are notorious for effecting a bass line? I've read that boosting around 2 - 3 khz will make a bassline more snappy but I honestly don't hear shit when I boost there. As for the source, of course I'm using good sources I've got some wicked virus sound fonts and I've created some sick patches in Blue. At this point I *think* it's more about EQing and proper use of FX. I'm still learning how each Ableton effect works on different instruments and frequencies and I'm guessing once I learn more about this I'll be able to improve the bass sound along with the rest. I really like the Saturator in Ableton but I don't ever hear anybody else talking about it? (I even think it sounds good on the master sometimes. I import all my DJ mixes to Ableton and apply a little Saturation to them along with the usual mastering)

Whered you get your virus soundfonts?

Only because I have a shitload and am always looking for more.
And yeh, a lot of times I'll take a virus lead and use it as a bass, will envelope it in a filter and just try to steal the harmonics from the font to dress up the main bass.
Then sometimes I'll throw it threw some bit crushing or distortion depending on the track.

Trilogy is also a great source for some solid bass sounds if you have never heard it

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