"that [surveillance] capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such [is] the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology (...)
I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency [NSA] and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
There is a huge difference between having the ability and using that ability.
Sure it's scary that they CAN but I wouldn't be too worried about them monitoring you 24/7 unless there was good reason.
(is there? )
For example, my company can scan all my emails, surfing habits, etc. if they want but that doesn't mean they're going to.
In cases of national security or eminent attack, if they have a suspect that could take out 5 city blocks with a suitcase nuke, I think I'd probably kick my paraniod side to the curb and let the authorities do their job at that point...
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"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."
Jun-28-2007 17:29
infinity HiGH
groovin
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: west side T.O
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
There is a huge difference between having the ability and using that ability.
Sure it's scary that they CAN but I wouldn't be too worried about them monitoring you 24/7 unless there was good reason.
(is there? )
For example, my company can scan all my emails, surfing habits, etc. if they want but that doesn't mean they're going to.
In cases of national security or eminent attack, if they have a suspect that could take out 5 city blocks with a suitcase nuke, I think I'd probably kick my paraniod side to the curb and let the authorities do their job at that point...
Jeff, have you read about the newly released CIA documents? I think that's a clear indication that the government and the various agencies can and will spy on people for no good reason.
Jun-28-2007 18:55
Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis
Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala
quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Jeff, have you read about the newly released CIA documents? I think that's a clear indication that the government and the various agencies can and will spy on people for no good reason.
You also have to consider that we already have our secret police, secret tribunals, hundreds of detention camps (with more on the way thanks to Kellogg, Brown and Root), martial law (continuity of gov't) directives firmly in place, etc.
Jun-28-2007 21:02
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Wow.
I guess you guys are fucked then lol
___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."
Jun-28-2007 21:11
Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis
Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Wow.
I guess you guys are fucked then lol
And you will be too once all is said and done. They plan on implementing the NAU by 2010 so you'll also be a part of it.
That's why they call it the New World Order
Jun-28-2007 21:20
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
I'm shakin' in my boots...
___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."
Jun-28-2007 21:24
infinity HiGH
groovin
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: west side T.O
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm shakin' in my boots...
lol
Jun-29-2007 01:35
hardcore trancer
Mystic Mind
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm shakin' in my boots...
If this scenario is not a scary thought then I dont know what is.It is funny how people like you bitch and moan about freedom and human rights in other countries but when it comes to your own country you have no problem with it.
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
If this scenario is not a scary thought then I dont know what is.It is funny how people like you bitch and moan about freedom and human rights in other countries but when it comes to your own country you have no problem with it.
Apparently you don't even understand the country which you like to call home very well then because there have been a few Canadian polls where:
quote:
Concern about being a victim of terrorism influences a person’s strength of agreement that national security should have priority over civil liberties. This could lead to stronger reactions by the community should people begin to feel more threatened by possible acts of terrorism...
Besides, the laws being put in place are just formalities for the lawyers because in reality, if they wanted to track/follow/bug you, you'd never know it anyways and they can already do it.
...they're right outside your window!! Booga! Booga!!
___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."
Jun-29-2007 04:55
Trancer-X
mutatis mutandis
Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Shambhala
It's all about gradually getting the people to accept the new form of socialism that they have planned for the world under their one world government.
Booga Booga is right.
Jun-29-2007 23:43
metalgearsolid
I am a sexist
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: For you neo/
Socialism? Since when is socialism evil? It is a lot better then fascism.
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