Thanks for posting.

This is the method i use for sidechaining though, which seems alot easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkl8B-0Ixs0

Dont know if you are familiar with it.

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Originally posted by Subtle Thanks for posting. This is the method i use for sidechaining though, which seems alot easier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkl8B-0Ixs0 Dont know if you are familiar with it.

This is a variation on the "Quadro" method I talked about. Again, you can only do this with compressors that support such a feature... which all suck. The point of this tutorial was to show how to sidechain using ANY compressor. Waves and UAD kick the shit out of Beatpuncher ...

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Originally posted by alanzo This is a variation on the "Quadro" method I talked about. Again, you can only do this with compressors that support such a feature... which all suck. The point of this tutorial was to show how to sidechain using ANY compressor. Waves and UAD kick the shit out of Beatpuncher ...

Ok cool, will definitely check this out!

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You can do the same in FL. Only in FL you mute the side chain channel. And the midi input controls the compressor via automation.

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Sidechain is nothing more then triggered volumelowering.
Sidekick is fine for that. (you could eventually even just draw volume curves. for punch. colour or tone, you compres seperately without SC

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Originally posted by cronodevir True, Automation truly makes it all obsolete.

Sidechaining is automating the automation, duuuh!

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Originally posted by Subtle Sidechaining is automating the automation, duuuh!

Really?

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Automating the compressor with MIDI rather than sidechaning? That sounds really dumb and inaccurate. I had a discussion with someone on the Anjunabeats forums about this. I think the discussion will help everyone here ...

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if this works, I will literally become your slave.

Not gay, but I'm flattered. Dont' forget to check out the Cubase SX 3 project I included ... it should work on any Cubase SX 3,4,5 so long as you still have the included plugins installed.

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it would seem like a fix that might not sound all that good.

Sounds great to me. The key is to make sure that 1. the kick and instrument are hard panned to opposite channels, and 2. to make sure the kick is considerably louder than the instrument. The kick will pass the compressors threshold, but the instrument won't resulting in both channels getting an equal and smooth reduction in dB; by panning out the kick, all you hear is the instrument.

A compressor that supports native sidechaining may act slightly different in that when sidechain is enabled, the compressor will only compress when the trigger passes the threshold. But I think that so long as the instrument is quieter than the trigger, this method works just as well. Even if you turn the instrument up to the same level as the kick, it doesn't sound like crap ... it just sounds like it would if you ran the two instruments through separate compressors.

Hrmmmmm ... maybe that's the key... since in order for a compressor to work in stereo, it's logically two compressors in one (you can see this when you look at UAD's Fairchild or Neve 33609). If you put the kick and the instrument on the same channel, it'll sound like crap because it's compressing the two together. But if you separate them entirely to opposite channels, it sounds just as if they both have their own compressor. So long as the kick is considerably louder than the instrument, only the kick will pass the compressor's threshold thus only triggering on the kick. Bam, I bet that's why this works so well ...

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Out of interest, do you use Sonar, Logic or Cubase 4/5? Is this "workaround" as good as using an actual side-chain method?

I just use Cubase SX 3. I imagine that if you use your DAW's method of native sidechaining, it'll sound the same. Problem is, the plugin has to have a separate mutable sidechain input. The only plugin I've found that supports native sidechaining and sounds decent enough is otiumFX Compadre Beatpuncher. But I much-more like the idea of using my $250 UAD Neve compressor on my most important channel (bass line) rather than some plugin from a random company. For me, it's mostly an issue of trust.

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you make things overly complicated

on track one you have A
on track 2 you have B

you want B to make space for A
that space has 4 dimensions:
- lowering volume
- time it takes to lower volume (attack)
- time to hold down volume (release)
- time it takes to release (knee)

you can either draw this yourself or have it triggered by a plug.
There is no "audiophile" side in Sidechaining, so it doesn't make any difference HOW you do it, as long as you have control over these 4 parameters.....

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Originally posted by Raphie you make things overly complicated on track one you have A on track 2 you have B you want B to make space for A that space has 4 dimensions: - lowering volume - time it takes to lower volume (attack) - time to hold down volume (release) - time it takes to release (knee) you can either draw this yourself or have it triggered by a plug. There is no "audiophile" side in Sidechaining, so it doesn't make any difference HOW you do it, as long as you have control over these 4 parameters.....

It's all about quality. I would much rather use a real compressor on my bassline than some 2-bit hacked together plugin from an unknown company. If you're cool with freeware compressors and/or automating a compressor with MIDI, that's fine ... me, I prefer the best and that's what this thread is about.

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