Governing is a real bitch ain't it, Barry?

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The Obama administration is moving toward reviving the military commission system for prosecuting Guantánamo detainees, which was a target of critics during the Bush administration, including Mr. Obama himself. Officials said the first public moves could come as soon as next week, perhaps in filings to military judges at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, outlining an administration plan to amend the Bush administration’s system to provide more legal protections for terrorism suspects. Continuing the military commissions in any form would probably prompt sharp criticism from human rights groups as well as some of Mr. Obama’s political allies because the troubled system became an emblem of the effort to use Guantánamo to avoid the American legal system. >LINK<

of course this story was leaked on a friday afternoon to avoid your normal news cycles and minimize dissemination but that won't stop the press from whitewashing it any further.

notice the NYT headline - US May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts. compared to the day "Waffles" took his Oath of Office - >LINK<

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It's very hard to tell what would make Q5 happy since when he gets his way he seems so angry.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov It's very hard to tell what would make Q5 happy since when he gets his way he seems so angry.

with the exception of perhaps josh4, i don't think many people who voted for Obama will try to justify this (if true). I, for one, would be extremely disappointed considering one of the main reasons i voted for obama was that he was a lawyer who seemed to actually respect the constitution. Obama has already lost points with me on some of his tax and anti business proposals/rhetoric. I'm glad he's a little more moderate than some congress people, but he is still much more left than I am on most economic policies.

Anyway, on the other hand, bush supporters justified every move the man made. If you were critical of Bush you were anti-american, unpatriotic, etc...

Weeell first of all nothing has happened yet so this is all hypothetical until these commissions actually get moving.

Obviously GITMO is a bad situation that won't have easy answers. The fact something is being done about it alone is good enough. People on the right and left will huff and guff whatever the administration does to GITMO and its detainees. There won't be a solution that satisfies everybody or even a majority of people. This administration is cleaning up the mess that was left for them.

And I think Q5 is just grumpy because hes forced to get his news from the NYT.

sometimes my sarcasm can be too subtle. like the initial tone of this thread, for instance. i'm not angry, i'm actually relieved.

this was more an indictment of the blindless rhetoric followers of the Obama campaign machine and to a lesser extent Obama himself. smart people knew already the real and tangible legal obstacles involved with the left's desire to do to GITMO what they wanted. they just didn't know the extent to which those in power now would try. obviously not that far.

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Originally posted by josh4 Weeell first of all nothing has happened yet so this is all hypothetical until these commissions actually get moving.

so if they do get moving again on the military commissions, you're happy with that?

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Obviously GITMO is a bad situation that won't have easy answers. The fact something is being done about it alone is good enough. People on the right and left will huff and guff whatever the administration does to GITMO and its detainees. There won't be a solution that satisfies everybody or even a majority of people. This administration is cleaning up the mess that was left for them.

Steyn was right! "the new conventional wisdom will emerge: Obama has turned around Bush's failed war on terror because he's had the courage to do the tough things that, while not always attractive, are ruthlessly effective."

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Originally posted by Q5echo so if they do get moving again on the military commissions, you're happy with that?

I'm happy with results.

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Steyn was right! "the new conventional wisdom will emerge: Obama has turned around Bush's failed war on terror because he's had the courage to do the tough things that, while not always attractive, are ruthlessly effective."

If I'm a product of the media machine conventional wisdom you're the product of the marginalized right wing blogosphere.

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Originally posted by josh4 I'm happy with results. If I'm a product of the media machine conventional wisdom you're the product of the marginalized right wing blogosphere.

Interesting quote coming from the same person who said:

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Originally posted by josh4 I am going to like seeing how far Obama goes to repudiating Bush's policies and by extension, limiting his own power in a time of immense crisis. Though I'll enjoy even more seeing Obama use the Bush/Cheney view of presidential power to establish liberal progressive policies to the disdain of those that defended the methods under Bush.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=505607

The term Obama Deception appears to stand true to its name.

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Originally posted by josh4 I'm happy with results.

when this guy gets the death penalty, you'll be happy with the results?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Interesting quote coming from the same person who said: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=505607

You'll have to elaborate I'm missing your point.

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Originally posted by Q5echo when this guy gets the death penalty, you'll be happy with the results?

Why wouldn't I be satisfied with an al-Qaeda 9/11 plotter getting the death penalty?

From your side of the blogosphere.

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Of course, when Obama finally addresses his backpedaling, he’ll argue that his suspending the military tribunals to begin with was the cautious thing to do, that he needed the time to examine the situation to make sure he took the course that balanced the rule of law and kept Americans safe at the same time. http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives...nt-look-so-bad/

Now your turn to explain what is the problem with that.

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Originally posted by josh4 Why wouldn't I be satisfied with an al-Qaeda 9/11 plotter getting the death penalty?

just asking.

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Now your turn to explain what is the problem with that.

if thats how Obama wants to spin it now, thats fine. he said a lot of things to a lot of people to get elected. i understand how that game is played.

he's the one that will have to answer to the people who put him where he is today at the expense of the credibility he had with those same people yesterday. you're just proving he has nothing to worry about. thats something you must reconcile with yourself...thats fine too. i have no problem with Bush's third term in the war on terror.