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| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
mfitterer1
Science is a production of Logic. Logic makes science. Not the other way around. You are implying that there was no logic, then someone came up with science, then logic was formed. Which is wrong.
As for infinity, it doesn't require observation to know time and space is not infinite.
I mentioned infinity because its part of the Infinite Recession concept, which says that there can't be an unlimited number of events before the current one.
The universe [all time and space, and things dependent upon them], there are only two [2] [Doce] options for how it is here...
1. It was brought into existence.
2. It always existed.
Number 2 cannot be true simply because of the fallacy Ive mentioned over and over again. Further study in any field of science will not change that. Getting more people to think about it will not change it, nothing will change it, there can not have been an infinite number of events before 1200, 2000, now, pick any date you want, it doesn't matter.
Number 1. Things do not bring themselves into existence. The power 'to create', to bring something into existence. Is an attribute. A thing that doesn't exist, is does not have attributes. So it cannot bring itself here. No amount of scientific data, or observation or anything will ever change this fact, ever. A thing that doesn't exist cannot do. Or, to say it more eloquently. ...Doing Entails Being
Conclusion? One who is not part of the universe in any way, not bound by any of its laws, brought it here. Anything that has a body, or is located, or changes, or goes through a process, or is a quantity or had a mode or state, is part of the universe, and the one that created all those things, does not need them.
fledz, you hang around scientists all day who hate the idea of a Creator, so they only try to look at things that "prove" their notions, and they reject anything that brings them to the conclusion that there is a creator. They are just like Catholics, they accept logic that benefits them, and reject logic that doesn't. Not to mention the western science model is so broke it doesn't even recognize the existence of thought for insatnce. Because thought cannot be observed. On top of that, most of it is polluted with crackpot theories and such, and the situation is so messy, no one cares if their achievements are based on 200 year old unproven theories. They believe what they want to believe.
You can have a 'fact' that is based on theories. And if all you have is theories, you have no progress. This old cripple guy, can't think of his name right now..hes made no progress what so ever, yet everyone loves him because they like his theories. Perfect example of people not giving a shit about the basis of someones claim, they only want to hear the claim itself. |
This is probably the most lucid post of his, I've read.
Honestly, it's like shooting fish, packed into a barrel made entirely out of fish with a Javelin Anti-Tank Missile. You really don't have to look too hard to find something as ridiculous (or more) as this.
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