http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-c1dIIt9Y0 fuckin you tube plaease play the tune so you can grasp what i'm tryin to say thankyou.

Start with a kick with a drum loop, maybe a pad too..
Then after like 32 kicks add a bassline , slowly turn the cutoff filter .. Add a whoish....

Finally , add a sub bass , and along the way , add some elements like sawtooths pluck , and finally a saw pad...

Breakdown,


Peak. Just flood this place with you melody.

Outro.


Win.


This is kinda like a summary..

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Don't over think it. You most likely know what you're doing and know enough to create a track. Stop second guessing yourself and just go.

Some advice I have found very helpful (Thanks KT) is to just make tracks. I believe his words were "Ok, now go make 20 tracks" - I've found that just making tracks or nearly finishing them is very, very good for growth.

I've also been told that I should find tracks I love and try to recreate them from scratch. I'm not quite there yet as my synthesis skills and experience just isn't there yet, but if you have the ability to make a sound after you hear it, then I hear this is a great way to practice.

Back to the topic at hand....

Just go! Don't worry about EQ'ing, mastering, all that stupid crap until your 3/4th's through the track. There are so many bozo's who waste their time EQing a track as they go, only to go back when it's done and change everything again. Not to mention the time you waste if you do not finish the project (which is usually the case)

Just go

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley Just go! Don't worry about EQ'ing, mastering, all that stupid crap until your 3/4th's through the track. There are so many bozo's who waste their time EQing a track as they go, only to go back when it's done and change everything again. Not to mention the time you waste if you do not finish the project (which is usually the case).

I don't agree this with you. You always EQ along the way! If you don't your track in the final stage becomes so muddy that you don't know what to EQ any more. Also, some elements are defined by a certain EQ setting. Yeah, it's true, EQ-ing will cost you time, but it will cost you much more if you do it afterwards, because you have no clear view on what your track is going to be like!

Always EQ during production!

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Originally posted by noicuc Start with a kick with a drum loop, maybe a pad too.. Then after like 32 kicks add a bassline , slowly turn the cutoff filter .. Add a whoish.... Finally , add a sub bass , and along the way , add some elements like sawtooths pluck , and finally a saw pad... Breakdown, Peak. Just flood this place with you melody. Outro. Win. This is kinda like a summary..

This is what killed trance IMO. No offense but you just included every single bad aspect about trance in my book. Most people are familiar with the supersaw mega phat dutch trance era, where the tracks sounded basically exactly the same for a couple of years.

Every now and then I hear a new track that follows this particular pattern and I gotta say it's like a recap of the worst episode of trance. It was really awesome at first when people discovered the warmth of the supersaw and I can't deny that some really great tracks came out of that phenomenon. But that's history now and you've gotta move on.

To make fresh sounding trance nowadays I believe you have to branch out. Include new, exotic elements to your tracks that are unexpected. Following the recent electro trance development is a simple way of going about it, and so I have done as well. But most important for me is to be free when I build and write my tracks. My parents and grandparents have been on me to learn about musical theory and notes but in my mind I want no borders. I don't want to know HOW to make music, that would be a limitation in itself. Music is undefinable and therefore you can have no rules when creating it.

That is why I also agree with Stephen that you shouldn't refrain from an idea just because of some aspect you feel you are not able to control or get good enough. Just getting all your thoughts into any project, be it good or bad, is the best way to express and learn to tame your musical talent.

I know this is rather off topic but I wanted to get it off my chest

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Originally posted by owien Such a nice tune,they start of by bringing things to the start of the track. Like a intro some producers do this mainly because they then try and workout what they want from a key parts. Then start to drop things leave in the driving parts to move the track along normally basslines. And leads some fx and from their think what the track needs so the can get to the key part placed in the intro. In this case they used some automation and clever arrangement until the main part of the track was drooped back in then just let it play out.

No offense mate, but this must be the worse and most vague description of how a track was structured, I have ever read.

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Originally posted by Eric Shaw To make fresh sounding trance nowadays I believe you have to branch out. Include new, exotic elements to your tracks that are unexpected. Following the recent electro trance development is a simple way of going about it, and so I have done as well. But most important for me is to be free when I build and write my tracks. My parents and grandparents have been on me to learn about musical theory and notes but in my mind I want no borders. I don't want to know HOW to make music, that would be a limitation in itself. Music is undefinable and therefore you can have no rules when creating it.

The electro stuff on beatport top ten trance, isn't really trance. To be honest the commercial fluffy stuff(the stuff I like) is a far cry from the old school trance(which I also like), and the electro "trance" as you call it is the equivalent to Deadmau5 homogenizing EDM into one commercially viable genre, except in this case it's different genres. (No offense to mau5, I also like some of his tunes).

The irony of your disinclination to learn music theory is that there are already limitations on your song writing you don't even know about because you don't know any theory. Chances are you will write tracks that will harmonize with western music theory because you've been listening to tracks that have been built upon it.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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L.E.D" There Be light srsly, that's the best pun I've ever heard...

good,i'm glad it may no be any thing new in terms of notes used,but has the most cleaver arrangement. hence why i used it in my post.



G-Con[/QUOTE]No offense mate, but this must be the worse and most vague description of how a track was structured, I have ever read.

well yeah a bit and no so let me break it down a little.
when a key part or a idea is made for a tune one method used in building a track is to bring those elements to the beginning then try and find ways to reverse it. its called mapping things out.
in conventional terms a tune will have all the key parts in the middle or at the end of the track.

in rank-1s case they used clever arrangement by unconventional methods and pulled it of.

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Originally posted by Eric Shaw But most important for me is to be free when I build and write my tracks. My parents and grandparents have been on me to learn about musical theory and notes but in my mind I want no borders. I don't want to know HOW to make music, that would be a limitation in itself. Music is undefinable and therefore you can have no rules when creating it.

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever read/heard. After reading this I can only assume that you can have no appreciation of music as you fail to see the benefit of understanding it's most basic concepts. How the hell is knowing music theory a limitation? If anything it gives you the knowledge to go beyond those who don't know music theory. In fact, I wish I had paid more attention in my classes... I would know a lot more than I currently do. Also music itself is 100% definable. It is the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity.



So yea you should take some music theory classes. It definitely helps to know basic concepts when creating any sort of music.

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Originally posted by Theran I don't agree this with you. You always EQ along the way! If you don't your track in the final stage becomes so muddy that you don't know what to EQ any more. Also, some elements are defined by a certain EQ setting. Yeah, it's true, EQ-ing will cost you time, but it will cost you much more if you do it afterwards, because you have no clear view on what your track is going to be like! Always EQ during production!

you can use the solo button to find out which channels are sounding muddy, then do the eq