looks pretty accurate to me

that's a good chart, it needs a few minor changes to become more balanced though imo, for example if they put communism on the extreme end of the left it should be fascism not nationalism on the extreme end of the right.

and i think "INTERFERE - SOCIETY, SOCIAL LIVES" on the left and "DONT INTERFERE" for the right is a bit disingenuous, they could put "SUPPORT" on the left and "DONT INTERFERE" on the right to balance it out.

these are minor changes but to someone who can't tell a pie chart from propaganda small little changes make a big difference

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Originally posted by tathi that's a good chart, it needs a few minor changes to become more balanced though imo, for example if they put communism on the extreme end of the left it should be fascism not nationalism on the extreme end of the right. and i think "INTERFERE - SOCIETY, SOCIAL LIVES" on the left and "DONT INTERFERE" for the right is a bit disingenuous, they could put "SUPPORT" on the left and "DONT INTERFERE" on the right to balance it out. these are minor changes but to someone who can't tell a pie chart from propaganda small little changes make a big difference

No, it should be left at interfere. Most definitely not "support". But "don't" should be removed from the right. Both the left and right sides of the spectrum interfere with the society and social lives of the populace.

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Why isn't the left blue and the right red?

Other than that, it's pretty accurate. I don't see why the conservative side is so attractive to some.

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Originally posted by Spam Both the left and right sides of the spectrum interfere with the society and social lives of the populace.

I don't think that's the ideal... though it's certainly the effect more often than not.

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Originally posted by ziptnf I don't see why the conservative side is so attractive to some.

Then I am skeptical that you know exactly why the liberal side is attractive to you.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Then I am skeptical that you know exactly why the liberal side is attractive to you.

It's not like I'm some brainwashed college student who voted for Barack Obama just because he was bringing change or that I'm a liberal because my parents are. I read the news regularly (in before conspiracy theorists say it's controlled by the white house), I understand the process of government, and I generally always look at both sides of any situation before I decide my opinion.

That being said, I tend to almost always take the liberal viewpoint, simply because that is how I perceive things. Most of the things (not all) on the left side were pretty accurate as to how I have been raised and what things I focus on. I highly doubt that you can say that I have a liberal bias just because "it's the cool thing to do".

I suppose it's a matter of being raised with a different attitude, I'm sure I wouldn't be able to understand the left if I had parents that taught me conservative ideals.

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Hmm, interesting that you think I was pigeonholing you as just another brainwashed college-age liberal or something, though I suppose that is the image the media would like to suggest for our demographic.

Do not mistake my skepticism as doubt or opposition to your ideas, but rather, hesitance to accept that you truly correlate the aims of either side. Really, they are just labels constituent of very flexible stereotypes, tarnished - as all philosophies must be - by a legacy of constant re-definition; for example, American liberalism and classical liberalism are a gulf apart so far as theory and action are concerned, though I am certain you knew this already. The point I am getting at is that all political systems are marketed to people under the veil of Utopic promises - whether they are claiming that CHANGE is the right course of action, or preservation of the status quo is how we'll achieve anything, politics - in this sense - are similar to religion in that the only way they can move product is to tell people that there is paradise at the end of the tunnel.

With this in mind, is it still difficult to see why conservativism is attractive to some people? Even smart people? You were probably sold your beliefs just the same as the other side - and either can believe what they like, there shall still exist a restlessness in the obtainment of a more successful nation. The true question lies in the methods however, and your beliefs lie in the liberation of social values and breadth of acceptance as well as the strengthening of the central state to the service of the population. What are the pitfalls of this, if any?

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