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vascotia
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Registered: Nov 2003
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My 2 cents about Armin\Armada

Armin Van Buuren: A disc jockey who, own his own label, selects and plays recorded music for an audience recorded by some artists who have got their music made by an engeneer, or consequently selects music recorded by their personal selected artists (some on their own label), based on motives that will gain their own popularity and\or gain their labels (and labels artists) popularity in which they will earn more money.

- I have reliable sources saying that Armin only plays music from the artists that he wants to support, and concequently avoid supporting some artists despite their releases containing variety of versions that could suit his style. He supports artists, not tracks themselves. This is judging on forehand.

- Wether its Armins managment who also concequently ditches some artists, cause Armin himself cant go through all the promos himself, or if its Armin himself who selects who i wants, or a little of both is questionable.

- I also know labels, artists, cause of this, are wondering why Armin isnt supporting some releases, seeing the quality and number of mixes to choose from. I know artists who have talked about boicotting Armin in the promo run cause of this.

- Some labels have experienced that Armin didnt support some of the labels favourite releases, but he supported some of the poor ones, but by artists he has played before.


- Also sign of SAFING his own sets..

Example: An artist friend of mine gave a track to a Armin, and he said he was gonna play the track in his show..but it never happened... later on the same track was given to the same dj through an established dj\artist\label, and suddenly the dj wanted to play the track and have it as the highlight of the week...

Example #2: A track was sent out to quite a few people, Armin included, but wasn't played until it came complements of Anjunabeats. .

Have also heard similar stories from other artists.

- I have heard roumors of people in Armadas managment who tried to boicott artists cause they ended up signing their tracks to another label.

Armin is pissed at Tiesto and Ferry Corsten cause they never plays his stuff, allthough he keeps playing their releases. And some arguments have occured cause of this.

- I know a lot of people think many artists are known mostly cause they are signed to Armada and have Armin backing them blindly up.
He said in an interview that he supported some selected artists..
Example (written by DarkMemoria): tranceaddict top 100 DJs, Arnej ranks in 60th place. This guy is purely a producer, and basically Armin whored a bunch of his tracks on ASOT, and this guy gets voted into the top 100 DJs.
If you listened to his set on ASOT 400, he couldn't mix a rum & coke, let alone a competent DJ set.



My question is: Does a DJ like this really deserve to be no.1? In my opinion, no. Is Armada \ Armin realizing they are indirectly destroying what once was called the trance scene by doing this?

If you got more gossip, please feel free to share.


original t.nu link: http://trance.nu/v4/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174182

Update:

OK folks.. Just to document to you guys that im NOT totally wrong.. this is as close as I get proof..believe it or not:

Note: I still believe I shouldnt care who supports me, BUT I still want to show that im not wrong about what I was stating in this thread:

Its taken from http://www.arminvanbuuren.net./

This is numbers of times each artists has had their name on asot this year:
(roughly the most known artists in the archive)

JOC: 27
Cosmic Gate: 25
Dash Berlin: 19
Guiseppe Ottaviani: 17
Alex Morph: 16
Eco: 14
Richard Durand: 13
Ronski Speed: 13
Myon: 12
Sean Tyas: 12
Gareth Emery: 11
Tritonal: 10
First State: 10
Ferry Corsten: 9
N. Oxide: 9
Activa: 9
A&B: 9
Ashley Wallbridge: 8
Sander Van Doorn: 7
Aly & Fila: 7
Mat Zo: 7
Lange: 7
Kyau & Albert: 7
Deynhoven: 7
Roger Shah: 7
M6: 7
Daniel Kandi: 6
Marcus Schossow: 6
Andy Moor: 6
Leon Bolier: 6
Signum: 6
Heatbeat: 6
Rafael Frost: 6
Arnej: 5
Super8: 5
Orjan Nilsen: 5
Mike Shiver: 5
Markus Schulz: 5
Simon Patterson: 5
Sebastian Brandt: 4
Onova: 4
F&P: 4
Robert Nickson: 4
Cold Blue: 4
Sindre Eide: 4
Rank 1: 4
Breakfast: 4
Bobina: 4
Ben Gold: 4
Jochen Miller: 4
Sied Van riel: 3
Store n Forward: 3
Ferry Tayle: 3
Jonas Steur: 3
Sunny Lax: 3
Tydi: 3
Cressida: 3
Solarstone: 3
Claudia Cazacu: 3
Paul Van Dyk: 3
Duderstadt: 2
Airbase: 2
Akesson: 2
Terry Ferminal: 2
Jon O`bir: 1
Dreas: 2
Tiesto: 0


.......At the same time Armin is pissed at Tiesto and Ferry Corsten cause they never plays his stuff, allthough he keeps playing their releases. And some arguments have occured cause of this.......

Quote "I have heard people in the business saying that Armin only plays music from the artists that he wants to support"


Are you still wondering why he doesnt support Tiesto this year.........?


I counted the unknown newcomers (29 in total) - each artist having ca. 1 plays in total during this year - thats 29 artists devided on 52 weeks (1 year) = 0,557 newcomers\unknown artists played each week on Asot..........!

Lang & Yep
Matt skyer
Lisa Miskovsky
Rst & Jared Knapp
Reverse
Jan Oostdyk
Hodel & Avenger
Ummet Ozcan
Sudha
Tiddey
Treshold & Detune
Faruk Sabanci
Chephren Blake
Ingsha
Dmitry Bessonov
Rene Ablaze
Philip Alpha
RENOISE
Alpha9
Vengeance
Velvetine
Nv & Noy
Artento Divini
Shato
Ehren Stowers
Karanda
Javah
Solis
Forenetix

You can make what you want from this....I rest my case.

Last edited by vascotia on Nov-06-2009 at 20:22

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There's no "deserve" in the equation. I'd agree that this is bullshit, but it isn't uncommon or new. The top trance DJs are no longer operating for any creative or artistic reasons, but purely business ones. Getting to the top of the DJ Mag poll is part of that.


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Re: My 2 cents about Armin\Armada

quote:
Originally posted by vascotia
Armin Van Buuren: A disc jockey who, own his own label, selects and plays recorded music for an audience recorded by some artists who have got their music made by an engeneer, or consequently selects music recorded by their personal selected artists (some on their own label), based on motives that will gain their own popularity and\or gain their labels (and labels artists) popularity in which they will earn more money.

- I have reliable sources saying that Armin only plays music from the artists that he wants to support, and concequently avoid supporting some artists despite their releases containing variety of versions that could suit his style. He supports artists, not tracks themselves. This is judging on forehand.

- Wether its Armins managment who also concequently ditches some artists, cause Armin himself cant go through all the promos himself, or if its Armin himself who selects who i wants, or a little of both is questionable.

- I also know labels, artists, cause of this, are wondering why Armin isnt supporting some releases, seeing the quality and number of mixes to choose from. I know artists who have talked about boicotting Armin in the promo run cause of this.

- Some labels have experienced that Armin didnt support some of the labels favourite releases, but he supported some of the poor ones, but by artists he has played before.


- Also sign of SAFING his own sets..

Example: An artist friend of mine gave a track to a Armin, and he said he was gonna play the track in his show..but it never happened... later on the same track was given to the same dj through an established dj\artist\label, and suddenly the dj wanted to play the track and have it as the highlight of the week...

Example #2: A track was sent out to quite a few people, Armin included, but wasn't played until it came complements of Anjunabeats. .

Have also heard similar stories from other artists.

- I have heard roumors of people in Armadas managment who tried to boicott artists cause they ended up signing their tracks to another label.

Armin is pissed at Tiesto and Ferry Corsten cause they never plays his stuff, allthough he keeps playing their releases. And some arguments have occured cause of this.

- I know a lot of people think many artists are known mostly cause they are signed to Armada and have Armin backing them blindly up.
He said in an interview that he supported some selected artists..
Example (written by DarkMemoria): tranceaddict top 100 DJs, Arnej ranks in 60th place. This guy is purely a producer, and basically Armin whored a bunch of his tracks on ASOT, and this guy gets voted into the top 100 DJs.
If you listened to his set on ASOT 400, he couldn't mix a rum & coke, let alone a competent DJ set.



My question is: Does a DJ like this really deserve to be no.1? In my opinion, no. Is Armada \ Armin realizing they are indirectly destroying what once was called the trance scene by doing this?

If you got more gossip, please feel free to share.


original t.nu link: http://trance.nu/v4/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174182


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"- I also know labels, artists, cause of this, are wondering why Armin isnt supporting some releases, seeing the quality and number of mixes to choose from."

I'm pretty sure they sound exactly as generic as the rest of the stuff he plays. I doubt the listeners would feel any loss.


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It's all about statistics, obvious he's at the top.

We don't like Windows, yet most use it which makes it No 1. Or is this a stupid example?


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Re: My 2 cents about Armin\Armada

quote:
Originally posted by vascotia
reliable sources, an artist friend of mine, have also heard similar stories from other artists, have heard rumors, GOSSIP GOSSIP GOSSIP, HEARSAY, HEARSAY, HEARSAY


not this again fgs

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i thought this was well known? you only have to look at ASOT tracklists to see it's the same artists week in week out, good work vascotia!


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quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
It's all about statistics, obvious he's at the top.

We don't like Windows, yet most use it which makes it No 1. Or is this a stupid example?


Stupid example. By your logic, we don't like Armin but most of us (who don't like him) listen to him anyway, making him #1.


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Stupid example. By your logic, we don't like Armin but most of us (who don't like him) listen to him anyway, making him #1.


I don't think that's what he meant. There are a lot of people that listen to Armin making him #1 but most here don't as we know better.

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Crying Norwegian kid? How embarassing is that?

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jupiterone
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for fucks sake. can this forum ever discuss MUSIC? does it always have to have the constant flow of armin/tiesto/pvd threads 4 times a week? jesus christ, this is worse than asking people at a jonas brothers concert for their opinion on blues/jazz

when will you guys ever stop giving a shit about these damn cock cobblers? shit on my fucking forehead. of all the supposed intelligent people on this forum you'd think music discussion would be a bit more interesting

christ, we already know who likes armin and who doesn't. same shit, recycled over and over again. this guy making a laughing face, saying the same shit, ", what a fuckin' joker LOLOL" and then this guy doing a rollie eyes smily saying "lol, i'll listen to whatever i want, i still like trance, you are fairly wrong about the philosophy of trance, it has gotten better since the 90's "

holy shit this is almost as bad as landover baptist forums

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