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Moongoose
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So did you ever find the bible to be too...liberal?

Well a solution to that problem is being worked on as we speak. At first i thought this was a joke, something that the onion might post but apparently its not so, the story.

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From the Huffington Post

Lo and behold, the Bible has gotten too liberal, according to a group of conservatives. And it needs a little editing.

That's the inspiration behind the Conservative Bible Project, which seeks to take the text back to its supposed right-wing roots.

Yes, even scripture is not orthodox enough for the modern conservative. Not that it's the fault of the author(s), exactly. The group cites a few reasons why the Bible is too progressive: "Lack of precision in the original language ... lack of precision in modern language" and "translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one."

So how can the Bible be conservatized? The group has proposed a Wikipedia-like group editing project. Some of the ideas would only bring the translation closer to the original. But others would fundamentally change the text.

1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]
4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."

Among the words to be eliminated: "government." A conservative columnist at Beliefnet described the effort as "just crazy ... like what you'd get if you crossed the Jesus Seminar with the College Republican chapter at a rural institution of Bible learnin'."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/...c_n_310037.html


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Actually, im at a loss for words, but if i were to hit my head against the wall several time, until a little brain matter cold be seen i think i could see their point of view. Helping the poor and healing the sick? Way to liberal and socialist to be in the good book.


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tathi
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maybe the conservatives got scared when they found out that todays youth had more faith in the lolcatbible than the old testament?

http://www.lolcatbible.com

From Genesis of the lol cat bible
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.

9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.

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Moral Hazard
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*facepalm*


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Krypton
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This should be edited. It's way too socialist!

quote:

Matthew 19

The Rich Young Man

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[d] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[e]"

20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


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occrider
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I just read an excellent and entertaining book about how the bible has been interpreted (or misinterpreted) over the years: http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Je...d/dp/0060738170

Yea, I find the lack of intellectual honesty and genuine religiosity amongst idealogues to be rather disturbing but not unexpected at all.


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And yet they'd still call themselves biblical literalists.


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quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
This should be edited. It's way too socialist!


How so? There's no mention of government giving the possessions of the rich to the poor. In fact, it's asking for the rich to do charity, which is a right-wing initiative, since the left just takes their money and gives it away against their will whether they give to charity or not.


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quote:
Originally posted by Spam
How so? There's no mention of government giving the possessions of the rich to the poor. In fact, it's asking for the rich to do charity, which is a right-wing initiative, since the left just takes their money and gives it away against their will whether they give to charity or not.


You're right. It's religion that's dictating giving the possessions of the rich to the poor against the will of the rich (eternal jailtime vs. eternal damnation you know). Ergo religion is as bad as government?


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Krypton
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quote:
Originally posted by Spam
How so? There's no mention of government giving the possessions of the rich to the poor. In fact, it's asking for the rich to do charity, which is a right-wing initiative, since the left just takes their money and gives it away against their will whether they give to charity or not.


Matthew 22

Paying Taxes to Caesar

15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."


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quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
Matthew 22

Paying Taxes to Caesar

15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."


Sorry, I wasn't aware of the fact that Ceasar was a socialist. All those beggars and lepers Jesus was helping must have been from some other country. Even the political right collects taxes from the citizenry, so I'm not sure what your point is.


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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
You're right. It's religion that's dictating giving the possessions of the rich to the poor against the will of the rich (eternal jailtime vs. eternal damnation you know). Ergo religion is as bad as government?


Um no, Jesus didn't steal his possessions and give them away to the poor. He told him what he should do and allowed him to make a decision for himself. When the man walked away all depressed and shit, Jesus didn't send the IRS after him to force him to give away all his stuff, the man was left free to live his life as he chose. When one CHOOSES to follow the commandments, then they aren't being FORCED to do anything that those commandments demand. Whereas if one CHOOSES not pay their taxes, they are tracked down, and eventually FORCED to pay up anyway. But you're right, the eternal damnation thing is definitely put out there as a warning to those who choose not to follow the command, however, they are STILL left free to live their life the way they want until death, as punishment comes after death.

Edit: That being said, organized religion can be just as bad, or worse, than government, no doubt. But you're confusing the religion with the teachings, and oftentimes, the religion misinterprets those teachings.


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These forces are supposed to combine to create Captain Planet?
Bullshit.
Those forces combine to create a soaking, boiling mudstorm on Valentine's Day.

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NeoPhono
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Let's say the overall attempt of the government, besides things such as common defense, interstate commerce, blah, blah, blah is to help those in need and improve society. Now, I realize that this is not quite how it works, because there is waste and there are tax monies that are spent to do just the opposite, in some people's opinion.

Is it somehow "un-Christian" to be "forced" into helping others through taxes? It would seem to me that having to be "forced" into helping people because you didn't do it on your own would be more un-Christian than taxes in the first place. If the almighty Jesus says that you should give up your wealth for the benefit of others, why exactly does it matter if that is in the form of taxes or you giving all your stuff to a charity? I realize the ends don't always justify the means, but in this case, I'm really not seeing the difference.

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