http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnOq7ebHU6c

I stil think Imagine is one of the best mixed EDM albums (to me at least), but this is a clear example why you should always cut out everything that doesn't need to be there. Basically, leave those frequencies for bass and kick, maybe even some percussion, some creative fx if ned be etc... leads, plucks, pads, hihats, etc... cut that shit out.



That pluck thingy has TONS of low end in there. Looks like no hipass filtering was used there, because the low frequencies don't roll of at all. side note: Which also leads me to believe it was a soft synth.


Also, this is also why I don't trust my ears completely.


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Another reason for this might be, maybe he used a hipass filter on that pluck, but bypassed it in that break - and enabled it again when the bass comes back in, but I guess even in that scenario he'd roll off AT LEAST the sub 50Hz stuff. Someone with a sub play this part really loud and tell us how it sounds

Why would you highpass a solo'd synth ? Most people would take off the highpass if the synth was solo'd and just automate it back in when there needs to be more headroom.

And that video has no bass probably due to youtube audio compression.

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Originally posted by RichieV Most people would take off the highpass if the synth was solo'd and just automate it back in when there needs to be more headroom.

Which actually kind of looks like what happened based on what I'm seeing in that clip. You can see that it stops pumping near the end of the break.

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Originally posted by RichieV Why would you highpass a solo'd synth ? Most people would take off the highpass if the synth was solo'd and just automate it back in when there needs to be more headroom. And that video has no bass probably due to youtube audio compression.

lol. you think I checked the youtube audio? I checked the track from the CD.

Well, ask yourself this question; what purpose do those sub frequencies have in that pluck sound other than muddy up the sound? And no, most people would not take off the hipass if the synth was soloed. Even if you automate the filter in the track there should always be a steep filter cutting away everything below (at least) 50Hz - not talking about the bass and the kick here.
Also, the term headroom doesn't really apply any significance in this case.

What I find even more interesting how the ME didn't catch this. He obivously has some serious shit in his room, so how he didn't notice the cones going wild is beyond me...

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Originally posted by DigiNut Which actually kind of looks like what happened based on what I'm seeing in that clip. You can see that it stops pumping near the end of the break.

See above. And the bass comes in at the half of the break and is still there when it stops pumping.

I will have to check this in my car, wonder how it sounds.

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Originally posted by vikernes lol. you think I checked the youtube audio? I checked the track from the CD. Well, ask yourself this question; what purpose do those sub frequencies have in that pluck sound other than muddy up the sound? And no, most people would not take off the hipass if the synth was soloed. Even if you automate the filter in the track there should always be a steep filter cutting away everything below (at least) 50Hz - not talking about the bass and the kick here. Also, the term headroom doesn't really apply any significance in this case. What I find even more interesting how the ME didn't catch this. He obivously has some serious shit in his room, so how he didn't notice the cones going wild is beyond me... See above. And the bass comes in at the half of the break and is still there when it stops pumping. I will have to check this in my car, wonder how it sounds.

Maybe, instead of looking at a signal analyser, he listened to the track and found that it was ok

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Its a bass pad put in there for the break, you can hear it come in at 3:03

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Armin didn't know how to hi cut. His producers does it for him.

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Originally posted by Subtle Its a bass pad put in there for the break, you can hear it come in at 3:03

Yup that pretty much explain the enormous bass we hear , or in this case see.

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That pluck sound probably wouldn't sound as full had you cut out some of that low end. It's a youtube video though so I can't really tell either.

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Originally posted by RichieV Why would you highpass a solo'd synth ? Most people would take off the highpass if the synth was solo'd and just automate it back in when there needs to be more headroom. And that video has no bass probably due to youtube audio compression.

I totally agree.

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Originally posted by vikernes Someone with a sub play this part really loud and tell us how it sounds

Playing it from CD here and it sounds fine. You're saying there is a lot of low end in there, which is true, but why is it bad? It sounds just fine in this case. The reason for cutting the lows out of most of your sounds is so they don't muddy up your mix by interfering with the frequencies of your bass and kick.

When there are no other sounds using those frequencies there is no need to cut them. Unless it sounds better that way of course but in this case those low frequencies give the pluck a full warm sound so it's better to leave them in. I'm sure that in the rest of the track the low frequencies have indeed been cut on this element to create a cleaner mix.

The pluck has some low end frequencies. Looks as though its rolled off as the break ends and as the sweeps come in which makes sense eq-ing low's before the down beat.