I find all the Vengeance sample packs very useful for single hit kicks, hats, crashes etc. I have used a loop or three in my time but they're really quite restrictive and a pita to EQ and mix, so by the time you've accomplished that you might as well have programmed them in the first place.

For the single samples alone i'd say give one of them a go.

I would not describe any of them as essential however.

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Yea, I already use single hits from vengeance and a couple of others. What perplexes me is the amount of products that claim mthey're all you need to make floor fillers - you know ready made bass and melody loops etc. I could'nt imagine using those yet tons are on offer so someone is buying them and I wonder why.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler you know ready made bass and melody loops etc. I could'nt imagine using those yet tons are on offer so someone is buying them and I wonder why.

The warez kids makin sick beatz'n'shit no doubt.

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i find the vengeance samples pretty useless. their impossible to process as they are already squashed to death, u can only make farthouse with them imo.

I have most of the Vengeance packs, but I don't use them much anymore - the samples have a lot of artifacts (presumably from being ripped from other sources). I've find that I like the Wave Alchemy and Thomas Penton libraries much better - they have more one-shots, fewer loops, cost less, and are higher quality (although the TP samples are horrifically over-limited).

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Guys I'm wondering about using loops, I'm not talking about one shots - I already use those.

I've not really used drum loops before, but there is a plethora of these available, and wondering whether I'm missing out not using drum loops.

My inclanation thus far has been to always make my own, but just wondering whether I'm creating more work for myself and perhaps loops are better anyway as presumably they are made by specialists with good outboard.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Guys I'm wondering about using loops, I'm not talking about one shots - I already use those. I've not really used drum loops before, but there is a plethora of these available, and wondering whether I'm missing out not using drum loops. My inclanation thus far has been to always make my own, but just wondering whether I'm creating more work for myself and perhaps loops are better anyway as presumably they are made by specialists with good outboard.

I wouldn't say you're necessarily missing out, and I don't think you're creating more work for yourself either. What time you save in not having to programme, you'll most likely lose again by getting a loop to fit properly.

There are some useful odd percussive loops that I'd layer on top of programmed hats etc now, and possibly even run them through something like Camelspace but I most likely wouldn't start out with a loop.

I always start with programmed hats first as well, and then get a kick, bassline, melodic parts in etc. Only then will I put a loop over the top so IT fits with my track and not the other way round.

Consider a loop like a sauce for your dinner. Many varieties and sometimes you don't want sauce

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Originally posted by Richard Butler My inclanation thus far has been to always make my own, but just wondering whether I'm creating more work for myself and perhaps loops are better anyway as presumably they are made by specialists with good outboard.

Some of the Vengeance stuff was made with all software. In some interview the guy said outboard stuff would take too long...

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

loops are fun. do it.