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Devbert
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: California
Cueing Problem. Records? Setup? Needles?

Some records (mostly a few of the hip-hop ones) I have, I just can't cue the needle behind the bass drum almost. Every time I scratch over a beat a few times the needle skips. I am being very gentle too. Could this be because of some shitty re-presses? It just seems like some of the records I have the needle doesn't sit in the grooves well. Any ideas or simple answers that I just don't know about?


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mikefasssy
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Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Vancouver

happens to me on some records, i just adjust weight of tone arm for that record and it works fine. but member to adjust it back!


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Devbert
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: California

yeah, but what if adding weight isn't helping?


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jdat
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Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Devbert
yeah, but what if adding weight isn't helping?


give up cause you suck

nah nah I'm joking ... seriously I don't know ..could be tons of reasons...
doest this happen with other records?

and what kind of TTs and setup you got?

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Devbert
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: California

Technic 1200M3D's , Recognize!!!! It's mostly with a few of my hip hop records. I think they may just be shitty represses is my best guess.


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DJTJ
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Registered: Jan 2001
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It's not a problem with the record itself, it's just that it's a heavy bass beat with a low frequency. Move the record over the beat very slowly and watch the needle carefully, you'll see that the needle moves from side to side quite violently.

The way to stop this happening, just turn you anti-skate to 0 while you're cueing the record, and it should stay in the groove. Then once you're done cueing (i.e. the record is playing) then just put the anti-skate back to what it was orginally.

The anti-skate puts outward force on the tonearm to counteract the inward force the groove puts on it becuase of the spiral of the record as the record is playing forwards. This stops your records and needles from wearing out more on one side than on the other, and also stops the needle skipping while it's playing forwards. But, when you are playing the record backwards (for example back-cueing) the force the groove puts on the tonearm is outwards. The anti-skate adds to the outward force, and sometimes this force added up is too much to keep the needle in the groove and it jumps. Notice that whenever it jumps like this, it always jumps outwards and not inwards.

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ExcelonGT
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nice knowledgeable post man! thanks for that.

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toxa
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Strong Island, NYC

I have similar problem too, actually mostly on whitelabels, so im not sure if that has anything to do with that. All i can say is adjust tone arm weight, and if even if it doesnt fully solve the problem, i assure you that it will partially help


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Kid Lax
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Scarborough, Canada

i ahve a couple of records that do this

most of them are warped though

so with these i just cue very lightly or sometimes i just hold the record right before the beat and when its time to drop it, i just let go...rather than rocking it back and forth on the first beat

a tip ive noticed is for records like these put your hand on the label to cue, rather than the perimeter of the record...because if the record is warped, then touching the outside causes that side to go down, moving the side where the needle is up...making it skip

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u4ea
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Washington DC

Do you still have the little instruction sheet that came with your cartridges/needles? It should tell you which weight should be set on your tone arm.

My records were doing this also (only on the first track/outside of the record). I broke out the little instructions that came with my needles (Stanton 500 series), and it told me the recommended tone arm weight. After I adjusted it, no more skipping.

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