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Can anyone help me.- I am having trouble with a few things
when it comes to Trance Production in FL-Studio.
Plz don’t tell me it’s FL-studio, because I know it too well to change.
and.. Yes I also know that FL is not recommended, for pro mixing, but I truly love it.
So, based on that can anyone help me out.

1.) Mix is too bassy, but when I remove that woom low FQ (20-60hz) it sounds crap.

2.) Does FL-Studio have an integrated compressor, because it sounds like my mix is in a box-?
however I do not have any compressors on any channels

3.) Is there any specific way to EQ / Master your Kick&Bassline for Trance-
I know about compressing it-


4.) When I play my mix- I get sounds playing over each other- how can I spread it out or
specify a certain space in the FQ spectrum for that sound. ( Using what? )

5.) What does Mastering include- and what FX should be on my mix before that.
when you master- do you use 2 wav files.? ( WaV-R & Wav-L )

Cheers guys
feedback would be much appreciated.

here is a sample track i produced - advice would be great:

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Last edited by routingwithin on Jun-23-2010 at 15:29

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Originally posted by routingwithin Hi guys Can anyone help me.- I am having trouble with a few things when it comes to Trance Production in FL-Studio. Plz don’t tell me it’s FL-studio, because I know it too well to change. and.. Yes I also know that FL is not recommended, for pro mixing, but I truly love it. So, based on that can anyone help me out. 1.) Mix is too bassy, but when I remove that woom low FQ (20-60hz) it sounds crap....keep the bass in the 80hz area 2.) Does FL-Studio have an integrated compressor, because it sounds like my mix is in a box-? however I do not have any compressors on any channels...compression is just a tool to keep things tight in the mix and make it louder fl has compressors to do all that. 3.) Is there any specific way to EQ / Master your Kick&Bassline for Trance- I know about compressing it-.....keep the bass in the 80hz and the kick place where ever so it does not clash with the bass. 4.) When I play my mix- I get sounds playing over each other- how can I spread it out or specify a certain space in the FQ spectrum for that sound. ( Using what? .... work on finding the right parts that will work well in the mix. 5.) What does Mastering include- and what FX should be on my mix before that. when you master- do you use 2 wav files.? ( WaV-R & Wav-L )...dont worry at this stage about mastering work on the areas above Cheers guys feedback would be much appreciated. hope my tips help you out also go check out sean tyas tutorials on youtube Psy

i have given you some answers next to your questions in your post

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Originally posted by routingwithin Hi guys Can anyone help me.- I am having trouble with a few things when it comes to Trance Production in FL-Studio. Plz don’t tell me it’s FL-studio, because I know it too well to change. and.. Yes I also know that FL is not recommended, for pro mixing, but I truly love it. So, based on that can anyone help me out. 1.) Mix is too bassy, but when I remove that woom low FQ (20-60hz) it sounds crap. (Have you tried sidechaing your bass from your kick?) 2.) Does FL-Studio have an integrated compressor, because it sounds like my mix is in a box-? however I do not have any compressors on any channels ( You can sidechain in fl using the limiter here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCI-2ceR7g ) 3.) Is there any specific way to EQ / Master your Kick&Bassline for Trance- I know about compressing it- (Make a cut in your bass using the parametric eq 2 for unwanted frequencies and make a cut for your kick to sit in ) 4.) When I play my mix- I get sounds playing over each other- how can I spread it out or specify a certain space in the FQ spectrum for that sound. ( Using what? ) (Make each sound have it's own frequency by removing some low end and panning synth sounds to improve your stereo field - don't have the same sounds occupying the same frequency area if you have use panning ) 5.) What does Mastering include- and what FX should be on my mix before that. when you master- do you use 2 wav files.? ( WaV-R & Wav-L ) ( I put eq then limiter but not too much there are too many mixes these days heavily limited - also use this on your master channel http://www.otiumfx.com/basslane.php ) Cheers guys feedback would be much appreciated. Psy

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Originally posted by routingwithin and.. Yes I also know that FL is not recommended, for pro mixing, but I truly love it. So, based on that can anyone help me out.

There are plenty of tracks made entirely in FL. Getting a good mixdown is more about the talent and experience of the user rather than the tools that are used.

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Originally posted by routingwithin 1.) Mix is too bassy, but when I remove that woom low FQ (20-60hz) it sounds crap.

Bass extends outside the 20-60 Hz range. You bass and kick can extend well into the higher spectrum.

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Originally posted by routingwithin 2.) Does FL-Studio have an integrated compressor, because it sounds like my mix is in a box-? however I do not have any compressors on any channels

Do not assume that lack of compression is the reason for this. More likely the mixdown needs to be fixed and your best tool for that is EQ. Learn about what compression is and why you may or may NOT need it on specific elements. Not everything needs compression.

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Originally posted by routingwithin 3.) Is there any specific way to EQ / Master your Kick&Bassline for Trance- I know about compressing it-

EQ is likely your best tool for this, but there are no hard and fast rules. Basically you need to ensure that you have chosen the right sounds for your kick and bass. Ensure that the fundamental frequencies of each elements are not occupying the same space. Only compress the sounds that need compression.

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Originally posted by routingwithin 4.) When I play my mix- I get sounds playing over each other- how can I spread it out or specify a certain space in the FQ spectrum for that sound. ( Using what? )

That is all a function of learning how to give each element its own space in the mix and your best tool for that is EQ.

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Originally posted by routingwithin 5.) What does Mastering include- and what FX should be on my mix before that.

Mastering is ONLY about adding a bit of volume and a tiny, tiny bit of sheen. Do not assume that mastering will fix a bad mix.

pretty sure Breakfast uses Fruity

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What are you mixing on?

Headphones, hifi speakers, monitors?

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You keep talking about compressors and EQs. They're probably the least of your worries. Look at your sound selection, and whether the sounds are fitting well together in the first place rather than trying to force them with heaps of processing.

And post a sample if you want helpful replies.

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If you take the trance preset on FL you have multiband compressor on the master.

EQ of the kicks should be a bit enhanced on the low end, that's it mostly.

Sounds playing over each other = cut reverb

And in trance bass should be sidechained to the kick, that's the way to have a low bass but without eating the rest of elements in the track.

Generic but hope it helps.

Once again, I completely disagree with everything you just said.

You shouldn't use a multiband compressor to mix a track. He's asking about mixing not mastering. And basslines in trance certainly don't have to be sidechained at all. And many kicks don't need EQing.

I'm sorry to nitpick but none of what you just said applies to most of the tracks I make, and I think most people would advise against giving advice like that when you haven't heard the track he's working on to judge whether its appropriate.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos If you take the trance preset on FL you have multiband compressor on the master. EQ of the kicks should be a bit enhanced on the low end, that's it mostly. Sounds playing over each other = cut reverb And in trance bass should be sidechained to the kick, that's the way to have a low bass but without eating the rest of elements in the track. Generic but hope it helps.

Some of the worst advice i've ever seen tbh.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 pretty sure Breakfast uses Fruity

he did, i believe he's on Cubase now. Maybe blueshift could tell us more about that one :P

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hi guys

Wow, thanx for the replies- much appreciated

Ok, Owien- Know about 80hz-100hz for the kick and bassline, should it be concentrated
on the kick and bass? or you mean like an 80hz boost ?

what i meant in 2- In FL,, is there a background compressor that is on by default-
which does not show anywhere?

Craig- cheers for the link- and yes know about sidechaining, however
It’s more the lack of quality for the bass & kick- any ideas where i can find just 1
good trance kick & bassline..?

Eric- I tried playing with EQ's but it always breaks me down,
try to make the mix brighter but end up making it too sharp-
and if it’s not sharp then it’s too bassy
will check out more info on compression and FreQuencies

Last edited by routingwithin on Jun-23-2010 at 14:58