use izotope ozone 4 to mastered the tracks
during mastering this is the step that i do:

1) multiband dynamics boost
2) multiband harmonic exciter (to give the clarity high frequency sound)
3) paragraphic equalizer
4) sterero imaging
5) loudness maximizer

my question is about the cymbal clipping.

after i do my mastered track, the cymbal at the beginning of my song sounds like CLASHHHH (its good, no clipping at all)

while during the climax of the song, where the song get really thick, the cymbal during the climax get clipping, somehow the cymbal sound is a bit dissapear.

if i lowered the loudness maximizer, my song is not as LOUD as other people music. but if i boost the loudness maximizer, my song get loud as other people music while it has cymbal clipping at the climax of the song.

how to fix the cymbal during the climax??

should i go to www.digitalmastering.nl ??

but i want to master my self!

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Turn your loudness maximiser off and see what happens. I reckon you have squashed it too much with the compressor / limiter to make it louder, a common issue. Loudness isn't everything.

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Originally posted by DreambreaX if i lowered the loudness maximizer, my song is not as LOUD as other people music.

here is your problem. dont think about what others sounds like.

dont worry about mastering, send it to some established engineers if you really want it mastered

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You need to go back to your mix before mastering and fix the area in question. When the song is at its peak and that cymbal hits, its creating a huge spike. This means that when you apply a limiter/maximiser, it will squash that spike heavily and this is what you hear ruining your cymbal (and probably many other elements as well)

You need adjust levels appropriately and maybe eq/compress specfic channels to reduce the sudden jump in volume when the cymbal hits.

It may be as simple as just turning the cymbal down.

I think some of the other advice is pretty poor. What good is sending a poorly mixed track to a mastering engineer?

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sidechain it to competing frequencies, try panning each side, or compress it even tho compressing brass is mostly dumb because the feel it adds to music is mostly amplitude related

ps. why the hell do u have a stereo imager on the master bus?

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Use EQ to eliminate frequency competition.

Or get an audiometry test done, learn to accept the fact that you have noise-induced high frequency hearing loss from too much listening to too-loud music, and adjust your cymbal crashes accordingly.

Joking. Maybe.

Look at your mix. Its nothing to do with your mastering, its just a matter of levels. When you put a limiter on the master, you constrain the level to a maximum, this means that when the cymbal hits, its being turned down automatically, because there are other elements that are competing for its dynamic range.

Its a matter of balance, if you have a loud cymbal, you need to drop another element to make sure you don't exceed the threshhold on your limiter.

Also, its generally a good idea not to put devices in your signal chain you don't understand.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley sidechain it to competing frequencies, try panning each side, or compress it even tho compressing brass is mostly dumb because the feel it adds to music is mostly amplitude related ps. why the hell do u have a stereo imager on the master bus?

I always put a stereo imager on the master buss to control the bass width... usually give the highs a boost on the stereo channel too...

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nonononono, don't sacrafice dynamic range for loudness!

Louder = better.

I toss all my ambient tunes through a brickwall limiter and crank them up to the max.

Just automate the cymbal volume down little bit when there is so many elements playing at the same time.

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Originally posted by DreambreaX if i lowered the loudness maximizer, my song is not as LOUD as other people music. but if i boost the loudness maximizer, my song get loud as other people music while it has cymbal clipping at the climax of the song.

That is because the other music is compressed, equalized in many processes in order to maximize the volume, by professional people with the right competanse and equipment.
Either accept that the track is a bit lower than others or send it to a mastering studio.
Todays music is too loud anyways.

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