do you guys use a music publisher? im not sure if i need one, but my labels asked a few times now if i have got a publisher yet, and recommended one to me, what are your thoughts ?

i have 3 tracks signed, 1 of which is on a compilation cd and will be on another at the end of year and all my tracks are doin quite well in radio show play etc

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I doubt a publisher would take you on with such little work out.If your royalties are in the thousands, then yes you need a publisher.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I doubt a publisher would take you on with such little work out.

ive got a contract to sign now with 23rd precinct music, but im not sure if i need one basically is what they can do for me gonna benefit me i dunno

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they chase after your royalties and try to license your music. Unless your sales are in the thousands and you are selling in various countries and formats, they won't really do much for you.

Where are you selling your music ? I'm guessing beatport. A publisher will just take those royalties and take half. Not very useful but people are stupid and they basically get money for doing absolutely nothing.

Also internet play technically should pay royalties, I would say most don't except for huge radio companies or real radio.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad they chase after your royalties and try to license your music. Unless your sales are in the thousands and you are selling in various countries and formats, they won't really do much for you. Where are you selling your music ? I'm guessing beatport. A publisher will just take those royalties and take half. Not very useful but people are stupid and they basically get money for doing absolutely nothing. Also internet play technically should pay royalties, I would say most don't except for huge radio companies or real radio.

thanks pal, heres some more info if it helps, in the contract they're asking for 30 % in most cases for all the different avenues of royalty income,my music is getting fm play aswell as internet play i can say that my first track has been on over 10 diff mainstream shows which also get played on various fm stations too like kiss etc the tracks been licensed to 2 armada compilations too, also has been played at all the big summer festivals too, going off the feedback so far the second track could quite well too its had its first play on gdjb last week

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I need one about as much as I need a cast for floppy dick syndrome which I never suffer with incidentally, even after 10 beers

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so you reckon its not worth it then?

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their website does not seem to work. It can be worth it but only if there is money involved. How often are your tracks played on these stations ? Until you really start making money , I wouldn't bother unless your tracks could have mainstream licensing appeal. Maybe do what other big producers are doing. Well at least see what they are doing. WHen you say it is being played, how often would you say ? 3-4 times a day ? Actually to think about it for a second, how do royalties work when they technically aren't playing your track but a dj performance of it. Might want to check that out.I don't really know much about the EDM bidness.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Nov-02-2010 at 18:17

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad their website does not seem to work. It can be worth it but only if there is money involved. How often are your tracks played on these stations ? Until you really start making money , I wouldn't bother unless your tracks could have mainstream licensing appeal. Maybe do what other big producers are doing. Well at least see what they are doing. WHen you say it is being played, how often would you say ? 3-4 times a day ? Actually to think about it for a second, how do royalties work when they technically aren't playing your track but a dj performance of it. Might want to check that out.I don't really know much about the EDM bidness.

somewhat agree w/ this. i have a publisher, and when a certain movie/tv ad/internet ad is looking for something i've already done he just submits it right then & there. i've been paid on about 6 things i would have never found myself and my catalog is only 14 EDM originals, 6 down tempo originals and a few loops of other stuff. All in all i've made a few thousand this year already and I just signed on in April.

There is totally a need for EDM stuff, he said maybe 1 out of ever 7 or 8 want some kind of "electronic influenced song". Can't hurt man but i would look at your contracts before you give it to a publisher, would suck if you only get a small mechnical because the label is taking your publishing

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I doubt a publisher would take you on with such little work out.If your royalties are in the thousands, then yes you need a publisher.

Sorry dude - I disagree here.

Not sure what it was last time I checked but the PRS pay something like £25 (30 Euros) for any works per minute if it is on commercially licensed radio.

Also, with the chap who posted this topic, if he is on a CD compilation, then he will get at least some mechanical rights depending on the size of the compilation.

When I started out I engaged a publisher and out of no where I found myself over £400 from Radio 1 play, Kiss FM play, and three compilations I featured on that I was not even aware of! (admittedly the label I signed with were usurped afterwards!)

So, in answer to the original question in this topic, I would 100% suggest engaging a publisher, and in particular, for smaller artists, I strongly suggest you use Jeremy at trancewarez (it is run by the guy behind 'vandall' and Charlie G). Jeremy and Charlie are fantastic and very hard working.

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Originally posted by alexlosy Sorry dude - I disagree here. Not sure what it was last time I checked but the PRS pay something like £25 (30 Euros) for any works per minute if it is on commercially licensed radio. Also, with the chap who posted this topic, if he is on a CD compilation, then he will get at least some mechanical rights depending on the size of the compilation. When I started out I engaged a publisher and out of no where I found myself over £400 from Radio 1 play, Kiss FM play, and three compilations I featured on that I was not even aware of! (admittedly the label I signed with were usurped afterwards!) So, in answer to the original question in this topic, I would 100% suggest engaging a publisher, and in particular, for smaller artists, I strongly suggest you use Jeremy at trancewarez (it is run by the guy behind 'vandall' and Charlie G). Jeremy and Charlie are fantastic and very hard working.

if thats true true i need to doit, my tunes have been on over 40 differnt fm stations on numerous occasions, also ive been getting repeat plays by holding the top spots in some dance charts on american stations too i think i will doit but now im not sure this publisher is good or not he was recomended to me by the label im signed too, anyone know any good publishers who dont rip off new artist?

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Originally posted by chrisspob if thats true true i need to doit, my tunes have been on over 40 differnt fm stations on numerous occasions, also ive been getting repeat plays by holding the top spots in some dance charts on american stations too i think i will doit but now im not sure this publisher is good or not he was recomended to me by the label im signed too, anyone know any good publishers who dont rip off new artist?

for radio stuff you don't need someone to collect your royalties but for compilations you might. for radio just register with your countries artist agency (in the states it's ASCAP or BMI). if you find you're not getting your mechanicals from the compilation sales after 90-120 days then you can hire someone to go get them for you and they'll ask for 8-20% depending on how much they're collecting.