I love how he says to use breakdowns, while "Disco Electrique" doesn't have one.
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Jan-19-2011 19:29
Zak McKracken
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Registered: Jun 2003
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what they say is spot on but could be summed up with one word: hook! in house thats everything. the production and arrangement can be a mess, it doesnt matter as long as you got a memorable main hook all through the track.
Originally posted by ken_lee
what they say is spot on but could be summed up with one word: hook! in house thats everything. the production and arrangement can be a mess, it doesnt matter as long as you got a memorable main hook all through the track.
Proof please.
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Jan-19-2011 20:46
Zak McKracken
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Originally posted by Beatflux
Proof please.
probably the most shitty production ever yet its considered the most epic house voyage of all time.
Jan-19-2011 21:00
lay
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2002
Location: Munich, Germany
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Originally posted by ken_lee
probably the most shitty production ever yet its considered the most epic house voyage of all time.
the main memorable hook is at 7 minutes but the whole atmosphere of the track (baseline, strings, pads, and that quirky synthline during the buildup) is part of what people remember with it. sorry u dont like it.
Jan-19-2011 22:38
Rodri Santos
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Milan
i don't know where is the hook here but is working really well... i-m really surprised, it must be the first time than one of my productions get considerable more reactions that professional cheesy stuff. (The version i'm playing is slightly different but just a few fixes on the mixdown and on the vocal chops)
I agree on hooks, people are careless about music perfection, they only want something catchy and danceable.
As for the length i really hate long tracks, my house tracks are always around 5 minutes and 1-1:30 minutes are intro & outro (quite groovy from the start i think though) , i like that everything i play goes to the essential part instantly, people don't want to listen to the intro of the track.
As for breakdowns sometimes i find tunes that i really like them but i see some problems for them to work on the floor (big names play them but as they say a festival is different to a club) :
- Long track (8+ minutes, sometimes with 7 i start to doubt) , i rarely find a track that is interesting from the beginning to the end, in house is common to have intro 30 bars of a loop breakdown 30 bars and outro... boring most of times.
- Long breakdown, i think they should precise what kind of breakdown. I try to avoid breakdowns as much as possible, they are necessary from time to time, you can't keep a set at a high energy peak for hours but if i see a 2 minutes breakdown that would never end in my bag unless...
As i have said sometimes i can't resist to a track, i simply love it and although it has this problems for me i think how to create a mash up with the hooky part, i edit the breakdown or the length to make it sit better on my sets.... this is not my copyright, is something similar to Markus Schulz's big room reconstructions, in my opinion spending 2 hours a week editing this little things is really worthy. I can play 15-20 tracks in one hour keeping always a good flow and interesting set.
What things do you look at to decide which works or doesn't? This above me is just really general rules, i do check groove, hi hat patterns, listening with subs and loud... but what about you?
Last edited by Rodri Santos on Jan-19-2011 at 22:56
Jan-19-2011 22:42
Beatflux
Rising Star in training
Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Planet Alf
quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
i don't know where is the hook here but is working really well... i-m really surprised, it must be the first time than one of my productions get considerable more reactions that professional cheesy stuff. (The version i'm playing is slightly different but just a few fixes on the mixdown and on the vocal chops)
I agree on hooks, people are careless about music perfection, they only want something catchy and danceable.
As for the length i really hate long tracks, my house tracks are always around 5 minutes and 1-1:30 minutes are intro & outro (quite groovy from the start i think though) , i like that everything i play goes to the essential part instantly, people don't want to listen to the intro of the track.
As for breakdowns sometimes i find tunes that i really like them but i see some problems for them to work on the floor (big names play them but as they say a festival is different to a club) :
- Long track (8+ minutes, sometimes with 7 i start to doubt) , i rarely find a track that is interesting from the beginning to the end, in house is common to have intro 30 bars of a loop breakdown 30 bars and outro... boring most of times.
- Long breakdown, i think they should precise what kind of breakdown. I try to avoid breakdowns as much as possible, they are necessary from time to time, you can't keep a set at a high energy peak for hours but if i see a 2 minutes breakdown that would never end in my bag unless...
As i have said sometimes i can't resist to a track, i simply love it and although it has this problems for me i think how to create a mash up with the hooky part, i edit the breakdown or the length to make it sit better on my sets.... this is not my copyright, is something similar to Markus Schulz's big room reconstructions, in my opinion spending 2 hours a week editing this little things is really worthy. I can play 15-20 tracks in one hour keeping always a good flow and interesting set.
What things do you look at to decide which works or doesn't? This above me is just really general rules, i do check groove, hi hat patterns, listening with subs and loud... but what about you?
The track you posted has parts that sound like they are off in timing. Was that intentional?
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