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Von Pistol
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Registered: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary,Alberta
compression problem

So when i am compressing my kick i set the compressor (thresh-12, att-0,rel-75,ratio-9:1,gain-+2.8 for example) and then my kick punches and trails with a sort of sound distortion(like fuzz).

When i change the release it does not make a diff but when i change the attack it fades away with the longer attack time.

Why is this. Shouldn't the release take that fuzz away?

VP

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Raphie
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Re: compression problem

Why are you compressing? what result do you expect?
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Originally posted by Von Pistol
So when i am compressing my kick i set the compressor (thresh-12, att-0,rel-75,ratio-9:1,gain-+2.8 for example) and then my kick punches and trails with a sort of sound distortion(like fuzz).

When i change the release it does not make a diff but when i change the attack it fades away with the longer attack time.

Why is this. Shouldn't the release take that fuzz away?

VP


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Rodri Santos
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a fuzz is probably because of too much low end of the kick, look at this , personally i use a multiband compressor and after that a parametric eq, let the kick around -3 - -5dbs , if it is louder crunchy sound appears

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Re: Re: compression problem

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Why are you compressing? what result do you expect?


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Atlantis-AR
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Again, what are you trying to accomplish compressing your kick? A ratio of 9:1 is pretty tight, while an attack of 0 ms means the attack will most likely be flattened, depending on the threshold. Probably not the best settings for a kick...

And a multi-band compressor is a not much better solution.


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Zak McKracken
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try a different kick if you dont like it.

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Re: compression problem

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Originally posted by Von Pistol
When i change the release it does not make a diff but when i change the attack it fades away with the longer attack time.

Why is this. Shouldn't the release take that fuzz away?

VP


The fuzz is most likely to be rapid clicking caused by gain stepping from the 0 attack. You've given the attack no time to create a smooth gain adjustment so it has to be abrupt with the reduction.


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Von Pistol
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Well what i am trying to do is follow a kick/bass compression guide that is in the "master tut" list lol. I'm new to understanding the technical aspects of compression and EQ so i am playing around with these settings that were offered in said tut.

Basically i EQ the kick first(hp at 50,notch at 800) with the db level around 0.0 to -0.1 and then i compress with the settings mentioned above. This usually creates a sweet kick thats hard and snappy. Just what i want. AAAAAAnd then this fuzz prob started.

I know that if i reduce the lower freq then it will disappear. I want to know why the attack control is solving the problem and not the release? the more i increase the attack the more the fuzz fades..

thanks VP

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Atlantis-AR
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quote:
Originally posted by Von Pistol
Basically i EQ the kick first(hp at 50,notch at 800) with the db level around 0.0 to -0.1 and then i compress with the settings mentioned above. This usually creates a sweet kick thats hard and snappy. Just what i want. AAAAAAnd then this fuzz prob started.

High-passing at 50 Hz is very risky; you might end up killing a lot of the sub. Also -0.1 dB is a very small change (maybe you mean -1.0 dB, but don't be afraid to cut more in the mixing stage). Why not post it here or send me the sample so I can give you my suggestions.


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Raphie
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why not just use your ears?!? hear what your doing and dial in a setting that works for YOU? There is no standard recipy of, ADSR and ratio that applies for every compressor and kick.

Really, try to put something of your own in there, rather then just try to code stickies into your DAW. Really good that u read them, now go learn and apply the knowledge.


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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
why not just use your ears?!? hear what your doing and dial in a setting that works for YOU? There is no standard recipy of, ADSR and ratio that applies for every compressor and kick.

Really, try to put something of your own in there, rather then just try to code stickies into your DAW. Really good that u read them, now go learn and apply the knowledge.

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Atlantis-AR
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
why not just use your ears?!? hear what your doing and dial in a setting that works for YOU? There is no standard recipy of, ADSR and ratio that applies for every compressor and kick.

Really, try to put something of your own in there, rather then just try to code stickies into your DAW. Really good that u read them, now go learn and apply the knowledge.

Still, I remember just the frustation I had when I first started using compressors, and it's not easy to get the hang of it.


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