Peeps, need some advise. I like Ableton but it's been acting up lately and crashing randomly. I am thinking of possibly jumping ship back to Cubase but ain't been there since v1.6. Logic is attractive but I'm hearing it has it's share of issues.

ableton midi editing pisses me off and working with a trackball zoom is holly fucking shit level of frustrating... Drawing automation sucks ass too...

I'm running MBP i7 2.4Ghz, btw

Thoughts?

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Logic pro 9 on my imac is rock fucking solid and frankly a joy to use.

Cubase does all the same things but I love the interface of logic and it all makes sense to me.

The only gripe I have is the slight lack of pre-defined key commands (like you find standardised in cubase) but they leave iot up to you to define your own and if you look on the web, you'll find tons already made for logic from the PTHD commands to the cubase ones etc.

It's not a long term problem but for someone just trying to get in to it (and from the sounds of it you would be) it can just take a little bit of setting up.

One thing I really love about logic is that, aside from PT, it is increibly close to routing in a real studio environment - it all makes such logical sense.

I love Cubase, and I despise Live (for it's shit MIDI and unintuitive mixing layout, to me it's a sketchpad).

I think Logic is slightly ahead of Cubase in most areas, most notably the included plugins (if that matters), the way it all hooks up and it's less cluttered workflow. If I had a Mac it's the only DAW i'd consider learning properly alongside Cubase.

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Originally posted by Beatflux pirated version

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You're doing something wrong.

Now that that's fixed.....

Logic is an amazing DAW. You can buy it and not really need anything else, except for maybe a synth with ethereal synthesis. It works great, can be used for any genre very easily, and has a great userbase.

Live to me seems like a great idea on paper, but I've heard so much bad stuff about it in terms of DAW usage. Plus, its more expensive than Logic, in terms of how much you get....both typically cost $499 from most dealers, but that's Logic Studio, with multiple programs that help you go from start to finish with producton, a ton of synths and effects (and lets not forget the stuff for guitars), while in the case of Live, you get the DAW, some loops, a drum program.....and not much else. If you want Suite, its another $300, and that doesn't include . Plus, I heard editing things in Live is a gigantic pain in the ass, especially for MIDI. The only good thing for Live does better out of the box is for live performance.

I'd say go to Logic if you're going to change DAWs, but just remember this: there is no perfect DAW. They all have problems, they all have issues, and your best bet to truly find the best DAW for yourself is to do your homework, research the various DAWs, look at pro and amateur reviews, and make threads like this on various forums.

I couldn't imagine trying to produce in ableton.. people actually do that?

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Originally posted by meriter I couldn't imagine trying to produce in ableton.. people actually do that?

What's wrong with Ableton?

oi don't get why people use anything but ableton for EDM. It is really vertical music. Automation in logic is rather poor in comparison and that also goes for mid. And yes I know how to use the environment. I use logic because the music I make is more thru composed so it makes sense to use a DAW that is more linear.

I find Logic rather mediocre. It isn't really spectacular at anything. Reaper would really just have to add a few things and be so much better. Logic just hasn't improved in years. It works but it is hardly innovative.

I doubt making the switch to lion and I have a feeling logic X will be absolute garbage. IN that case, back to pc and cubase.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Oct-04-2011 at 05:38

It depends how you like to work. I prefer the linear way of working. Not a fan of the jamming with clips. The clips in ableton will help if you would be struggling to make the arrangement. I feel logic is the better deal with the best plugins available for the price. I also prefer the routing and environment possibilities with logic.

As for Logic X? I don't trust that at all. I don't like the way operating systems are becoming more like iPads/iPhones

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knowing logic and live quite well... I second L4C's opinion here. Logic is rather poor because they never have taken the time to re-design those arpeggio, chord and other elements living in the ruins of the environment. In fact the whole environment should be easier to use now, and it's the perfect opposite. So you're constantly fighting against the limitations of logic, but in a way it also serves you as you dig deeper.

What's missing in logic anno 2011: destructive audio-editing with plugins (an old request from 2002 but I gave up), better environment tools, better keyboard "gestures": arp, chord, pitch, velocity other than the environment blocks. And now also lacking the pitch on audio tracks alongside with the flex time engine.

I use Logic though, been using it since 1998 and after a pause in 2007 I got back to it a year later.

I went for ableton live in 2005 which I still use for quick productions, remixes and shows of all kinds, but felt terrible with its limitations when trying to make music with people who rely on sheet music. Plus the midi editing functions AND the nonsense of anti-ergonomics when it comes to step recording make it poor for midi after all.

Their built-in eq and compressor sound like crap too, let's face it. Also missing in ableton is a spot on audio edition like the one in logic with basic functions such as fade in and out, gain. Ok all of that is there, but it's realtime and taxes cpu for nothing. Plus I like low level editing of files. The ones doing timestretch bit by bit back in the good old years know why :-)

Meanwhile there's one sequencer that might soon overwhelm all the others if they keep making it better at that tempo, that's NI's Maschine. Believe it or not, but fact is that they're pushing it forward by implementing everything I'd expect from logic or live for beat and electronic. What it's missing is ableton like timestrech but oh well... Anyway, it's too early, but it looks like we're having a strong combo by using maschine inside logic, which is what I do today.

L4C might be right, if logic X is garbage, it's time for a change, and the only sequencer that boasts all those features, although I don't like it, is cubase. Who knows, after all...

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Originally posted by djshire Now that that's fixed.....

I'm not really sure what your point is here, pirated versions are usually more prone to bugs and crashes.