they want to butcher themselves, let them. i don't see any need for the US to get involved.

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Are they actually being serious about this? Going after Russia? Really?

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Russia wouldn't do anything if it lost citizens in Syria.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange they want to butcher themselves, let them. i don't see any need for the US to get involved.

Since when does the U.S. need a reason to get involved?

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On the one hand russia is supporting assad who is arguably a scumbag.

On the other, america is supporting the rebels...which includes the gentleman who was shown eating a killed syrian soldiers heart.


Pick your evil.

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Assad needs to go, plain and simple, and it's horrendous that Russia is trying to supply missiles to this defunkt regime.

Russia is supporting Assad, not for any righteous or humanitarian reasons, simply for strategic purposes as both a foothold in the middle east and it makes the USA and EU bargain with Russia.

The Israel thing is independent of the main reasons everyone thinks Syria needs to change. Israel would probably happier with a stable Assad than this clusterfuck.

What they don't want is heavy weapons making their way to Hezzbolah, or worse chemical weapons. Adding S-300 systems to the Syrian air defense network (which is already pretty damn formidable) would be a major impedance to Israel attacking weapons convoys.

Also the US isn't happy about S-300 systems going in either. If they want to establish a no-fly zone at any point then this will make it significantly harder to do so. The S-300 is by almost every measure the most capable SAM system ever developed. There is nothing that can compare to it in the US, PAC comes close, but the performance measurements for the S-300 system (which is actually a number of missile types) are still better. The entire system is easily road mobile, can be widely dispersed (meaning you can have the search radars far away from the launchers, and the targeting radars in a totally different location as well, so they are harder to destroy), and can setup and pack up in ~15 minutes.

Depending on the version deployed it can both intercept aircraft, cruise missiles, guided munitions, and in some versions, ballistic missiles. Probability of kill is between 0.85 and 0.95 depending on target.

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What variant of the s-300 is Assad getting? The S-300 isn't that formidable...if it is an older version(duh).

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Originally posted by zGoogleman Joss, What variant of the s-300 is Assad getting? The S-300 isn't that formidable...if it is an older version(duh).

The S-300P is the base model (NATO reporting name: SA-10 Grumble) and is still an incredibly deadly SAM system.

The main problem is how mobile they are. In Libya we were going after SA-2 and SA-3 sites mostly. Those are fixed air defense sites, easily taken out by cruise missiles. You don't need to worry about SEAD strikes because you can just target them via satellite imagery since they will not be moving. Take out the radars then follow up with general purpose or cluster bombs to shred the missiles and launchers.

With systems like the SA-10 they could be there on one satellite pass and not the next, your cruise missiles sorties will need to be highly reactive. Systems like J-STAR can possibly be used to get a fix on them after initial discovery (either satellites or ground forces), but it is still more complicated than a fixed site by an order of magnitude, especially they are hiding these systems in civilian areas. SEAD sorties easily have to get into the kill envelope to target radars with ARM munitions and you get to play wild weasel with aircraft baiting the targeting and search radars on.

I have no doubt NATO forces, or US forces alone would be able to defeat the Syrian air defense network, but it'd be a lot longer and costlier than it was in Libya.

I have my doubts though. Syria has proven time and time again that they are not competent.