0:03 -0:13
any tips or help!
I am trying to do a remix of this!
Also what kind of sound is that?
Thanks
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Last edited by atxbigballer1 on Feb-22-2012 at 05:02

same progression as Not Over ah didn't hear the beginning.

well, it uses the same chords every single other trance tune uses. So. ya. Those 3 chords in every track. one is minor , two are major. The second bar substitutes one chord making it like that progression in that track. IT really is too easy to just tel you .

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Feb-22-2012 at 05:14

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney same progression as Not Over ah didn't hear the beginning. well, it uses the same chords every single other trance tune uses. So. ya. Those 3 chords in every track. one is minor , two are major. The second bar substitutes one chord making it like that progression in that track. IT really is too easy to just tel you .

Thanks for the tips, I been on my piano keyboard all day trying to do this on my own. It's just that 3rd note thats fucking me up.

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they are all part of the natural minor scale of that key. So just play every note until you find it.

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F-G-A-F-D-A, didnt bother checking if its the right notes but its the exact note jumps, so if its the wrong notes just transpose and youll get it

btw looney what kind of progression is this? i just bought a huge jazz theory brick and ive been reading it non stop, so much shit in there its crazy lol

the key is Am, you would have VI-VII-I-VI-IV-I? or is it somekind of mode specific thing? or am i just seeing the notes the wrong way?

i get confused with those things, when people talk about popular chord progressions they always seem to mention the prog having I and V in them and this progression doesnt have I AND V in it but its one of the most used progressions.

this is a question to anyone who can answer btw not just looney

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Originally posted by mathieu F-G-A-F-D-A the key is Am, you would have VI-VII-I-VI-IV-I? or is it somekind of mode specific thing? or am i just seeing the notes the wrong way?

Well first of all I dunno how popular of a chord progression that is, I just played it on some virtual piano thing since I'm at work and it sounds a little odd.

The progression sounds more major than minor, considering how it starts. In the relative major C the progression would go IV-V-vi-IV-ii-vi. The IV-V-vi is pretty common in major keys which is probably why I'm thinking this way, but typically the progression would also include a tonic chord. between not having C major anywhere in the progression and ending it on ii-vi, it just sounds awkward to me as is.

Just my two cents, I'm sure it's usable, but I can think of a few chords you can change to make it sound better. I'll leave it up to you unless you really want suggestions.

It is extremely common

Children , Grace - not over yet comes to mind.

that whole V I hegemony is just theory bs. You don't need any of those chords to outline a key, Modes and keys are not so different except keys refer to modes used in a way that is more in line with CPE. Again one more reason why studying theory can actually made you think inside the box and make you less creative. Always approach theory as 1 way of looking at things. IT isn't a theory. it is just one particular set of conventions that worked for classical era music. A good foundation but really really limited.

You could see the progression in a minor mode

VI VI i
VI iv i

because you don't get a V what so ever you could call it an aolian mode but since it really does follow tonal tradition, well i think it just makes it more complicated.

Personally, i like to use as few systems of representation as possible and you can represent the same progression as

IV V vi
IV ii vi

in that instance you have a V , just not the normal V to I resolution which isn't needed. This is why i would not call it a mode because it has a textbook tonal outline.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Feb-22-2012 at 16:05

it sounds major to me too, the instrument is some kind of metalofon or a chinese instrument, sako i think it was called, the melody is indeed very chinese style.

major sounding doesn't make any sense in that it means nothing. What are you referring to ? they key ?

The 2 points of rest are on a minor chord. There is no difference between this and a million trance tracks you would consider minor. I mean it uses the same chords that 90% of all trance tracks in the last 5 years uses.

There is also no asian scales being used what so ever.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney major sounding doesn't make any sense in that it means nothing. What are you referring to ? they key ?

what else would we be referring to..?

you said yourself, it's best represented as IV V vi IV ii vi, which is the relative major. and it sounded major because the first 4 chords are mostly major and are a very common progression in major keys.

dunno why that sounds so absurd to you

to me it is because i can hear the evaded cadence where as most of you don't. And being in a major key does not change the fact that this fragment has a minor tonal centre being the submediant.

I mean these all have the same chords



this one , you actually do get the tonic of interpreting it in a major key otherwise same chords and most would say minor





all the chords including the iv d minor chord



mostly the same chords with some changes but ya


none of these sound like they are in a major key.

The thing you have to remember is that key , in how i accounts for how i hear it and how i can encapsulate that in the most simple way possible. That often means using a major key yet to anyone , they would not say it sounds like a track in a major key because you never get that resolution , say the VII -> III in a minor key which if represented by a major key would be V I.

Would you say most trance tracks are minor ?
Because 90% of trance tracks use those chords in that way.
Not sure if it is the rap setting that is throwing people off.

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honestly I just played triads on my qwerty keyboard at work with some in-browser virtual piano and a speaker pressed against my right ear at 1% volume. in that context, kinda sounded major. I get what you're saying though.