Anyone else think this is an absolutely shameful article to publish?

Sure, some people choose to partake in recreational drugs in the EDM community. No different then any other community.

Ever see ESPN Magazine ask athletes what their favourite type of steroid is? Or the Wall Street Journal survey bankers asking how they prefer their cocaine?

Articles like this just continue to perpetuate negative stereotypes and give our scene a bad reputation. Nothing positive could come out of an article like this this. Except maybe for mixmag, who'll probably get a nice increase of traffic.

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Originally posted by LightsOut Anyone else think this is an absolutely shameful article to publish? Sure, some people choose to partake in recreational drugs in the EDM community. No different then any other community. Ever see ESPN Magazine ask athletes what their favourite type of steroid is? Or the Wall Street Journal survey bankers asking how they prefer their cocaine? Articles like this just continue to perpetuate negative stereotypes and give our scene a bad reputation. Nothing positive could come out of an article like this this. Except maybe for mixmag, who'll probably get a nice increase of traffic.

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I don't think so... it's a random survey, without names.

Surveys while sometimes may persuade people to do things... but most the times allow people to see what others are doing without actually asking them. So maybe someone who wanted to know about drug use in clubland, or amongst certain demographics can get their answers.

People can answer honestly under the veil of anonymity and confidentiality, so you could hope or expect the answers to be honest and somewhat genuine and true.

So some scenarios where someone would need these answers could be a gf or parent, or friend even who may be concerned about their friend's drug use and being uninformed about it. But maybe seeing the results, they realize that said friend is not a minority, or not the worst etc.

A drug user could be curious to the rest of his peers and their use, and maybe realize his is the minority because he's hooping effedrin and no one else does.

I dunno... it would be different if it was an article on how to take it, where to buy it, how much is too much to pay, or basically a guideline on DOING drugs.

I DO however agree that publishing it in a EDM magazine will perpetuate the negative stereotypes of the drugs and music. But then again, you don't sell a boat in the back of a bridal magazine.

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Originally posted by LightsOut Sure, some people choose to partake in recreational drugs in the EDM community. No different then any other community.

Most music scenes have their share of drug use, but the dance music community blows all others away by far. There are a significant amount of people who don't do drugs in this scene, but they are outnumbered. It may be bad for the image of the scene in the eyes of those who do not understand it, and for that reason it may be a bad idea to publish it, but it is reality none the less.

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Originally posted by WittyHandle Most music scenes have their share of drug use, but the dance music community blows all others away by far. There are a significant amount of people who don't do drugs in this scene, but they are outnumbered. It may be bad for the image of the scene in the eyes of those who do not understand it, and for that reason it may be a bad idea to publish it, but it is reality none the less.

I dunno. Does the EDM scene really blow all the other scenes away? That's a survey I'd like to see tbh. I think you can walk into any pretentious King Street club and find just as many people fucked up, same with any hip-hop/urban club. The only difference I bet would be the drug(s) of choice.

Also, I don't really think that the people who choose to drink exclusively (or not at all), are significantly outnumbered by the amount of people who choose to do drugs. That would also be an interesting survey to see.

I don't have a problem with people doing drugs recreationally (not that it matters), I just hope that they're responsible about it. EDM has this drug stigma attached to it, but I suspect that this issue is just as prevalent in other communities. Unfortunately though, articles like this in MIXMAG (which should be promoting the positive aspects of our scene instead of having a 5 page spread that makes drug use seem rampant), continue to bring this stereotype to the forefront.

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Originally posted by LightsOut I dunno. Does the EDM scene really blow all the other scenes away? That's a survey I'd like to see tbh. I think you can walk into any pretentious King Street club and find just as many people fucked up, same with any hip-hop/urban club. The only difference I bet would be the drug(s) of choice.

And where would you find that survey? FHM? Guitar Mag? Source?

Whether or not they published it, they hit the right demographic to get the results, and including the Guardian in their survey collection helped get others to participate as well.

Eventually somewhere, somehow, someone is going to need this data. Same as any other data is collected, could be about politics, sex, food etc.

What else are they going to do? Hand out surveys to fill out at the doors of MOS, Panorama, Amnesia, Space?

Did you read the article? Or of years past? IMO they never once promoted drug use, but usually put a non-biased, non judgmental evaluation of the results.

Now, Mixmag's section where you submitted your best gurn face a few years back... THAT was not something you should publish or promote.

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Last edited by cammaxwell on Mar-15-2012 at 18:55

Where you consume your EDM will determine the level of drug use you see. Clubs that cater to the more mature, refined tastes will see more alcohol and probably some coke. The events with younger goers will be much heavier into E, speed, K, etc. I think the image that the general public has is based on the latter.

I just don't see as much E, speed, or K going on at rock or hip-hop events. There's some, I'm sure, but much less.

As for Mixmag, I used to read it in the 90's, but stopped when there was a readily noticeable shift to the lower common denominator. They are one of the scummier dance music mags, imo, with little sense of responsibility to the scene.

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Originally posted by Mach X And where would you find that survey? FHM? Guitar Mag? Source?

That's my point, you won't find it. But when it comes to EDM, you have no shortage of articles associating drugs with our scene. But I suspect, drugs are just as prevalent in other scenes, with little or no coverage like we get.

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Eventually somewhere, somehow, someone is going to need this data. Same as any other data is collected, could be about politics, sex, food etc. Did you read the article? Or of years past? IMO they never once promoted drug use, but usually put a non-biased, non judgmental evaluation of the results.

I don't have a problem with the survey or information collected from it, I'm sure it could be helpful, just like any other data collected on any number of topics. I just question why Mixmag would take this upon themselves, and make it a feature article. The Guardian, no problem. The British equivilent of Health Canada, sure. But Mixmag?

Of course they aren't trying to promote drug use, but when you have a 5 page spread detailing how 91% of respondents at EDM clubs take soft drugs and 75% take hard drugs, it associates drug use with EDM. A large percentage of those people might not be EDM enthusiasts at all, but are instead just into getting fucked up. If you surveyed a Top 40 club or an Urban club, you might also see similar statistics, so this may not be an EDM exclusive issue at all. But the article makes it appear that drug use is rampant in EDM, and I just don't know if I buy that. And if it is, is it any more or less rampant than any other community?

I dunno, articles like this just rub me the wrong way. We have a lot of great things going on in our scene, I wish mixmag would focus more on them instead of articles like this.

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Last edited by LightsOut on Mar-15-2012 at 19:00

I get what you are saying as well 100%, and agree for the most part. But the part that you are saying irks you is that it's an EDM magazine involved in it and participating. But that is the intended target to survey.

And maybe you would never see those surveys in Guitar Mag and Source. But if the US Department Of Health and USA Today wanted to do a indepth study of drug use in urban/hiphop culture, they would probably solicit the assistance of BET or Source magazine to help gather that data. And BET or Source is not just going to do it out the goodness of their hearts and moral responsibility, they want something out of it, readers, sales, advertising. One party gets the data and input from selected demographic they wanted, other party gets money.

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Originally posted by LightsOut That's my point, you won't find it. But when it comes to EDM, you have no shortage of articles associating drugs with our scene. But I suspect, drugs are just as prevalent in other scenes, with little or no coverage like we get.

Agreed, it's just not as publicized at all. Rock concerts and rock clubs are FULL of coke, painkillers, ect..

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Originally posted by LightsOut I don't have a problem with the survey or information collected from it, I'm sure it could be helpful, just like any other data collected on any number of topics. I just question why MIXMAG would take this upon themselves, and make it a feature article. The Guardian, no problem. The British equivilent of Health Canada, sure. But MIXMAG?

Well, I bet that MIXMAG is actually going to get a more honest response from people rather than a government agency as well. So like it or not, this data could be very insightful to those in the industry look for valid accurate stats.

After reading through this a little, I'm surprised at a couple things:

-Meth was really low in terms of usage which is great, considering it's such a problem in NA
-that people would so willingly ingest a "mystery powder" is insane, I have a friend's younger brother who died that way (turned out its was methadone powder)
-the fact that so many people are using methadone! (assuming this is recreational and not for treatment)
-and why are so many people swallowing coke?

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