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jon jon
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The ICC indicted Kony in 2006, but they have no policing power...and the UN is not allowed to act as their police force. They depend on the home state or neighbouring states to capture Kony and hand them over to the ICC....but look who the neighbouring states are..You have Rwanda, the Congo and South Sudan.

The Juba peace talks in started in 2006 between the LRA and the UPDF also fell to shit when the ICC indicted Kony...because before there was talks about granting amnesty in exchange for peace, but the ICC said they would not give amnesty to the top five. The Acholi people, where most of the child soldiers come from, now have a lot of resentment/distrust of international government...which makes it harder to get them to help in the capture of Kony.

Anyway, hope this campaign helps. The stories coming from there are heartbreaking.

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quote:
KONY 2012”

You do not need to ask my permission to share this. Please link it widely.

I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign.

KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’mnotalone.

Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 31% went to their charity program (page 6)*. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.

Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.

As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”

Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children funds this military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.

Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re helping fund the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on funding ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.

~ Grant Oyston, [email protected]

Grant Oyston is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can help spread the word about this by linking to his blog at visiblechildren.tumblr.com anywhere you see posts about KONY 2012.

*For context, 31% is bad. By contrast, Direct Relief reports 98.8% of its funding goes to programming. American Red Cross reports 92.1% to programming. UNICEF USA is at 90.3%. Invisible Children reports that 80.5% of their funding goes to programming, while I report 31% based on their FY11 fiscal reports, because other NGOs would count film-making as fundraising expenses, not programming expenses.


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Dior Homme
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Wanna make a bet that if they catch Kony this year, the dude will be the Time's 2012 Person of the Year? Well deserved too.


Crazy stuff mang.

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wait a sec, this has been going on for over 20 years, in COUNTLESS countries across the world, and just now after the millions of innocent lives were lost people are actually trying to do something about it??

"peacekeepers" were just standing there while kids, women and men were literally butchered by hand and nobody did anything at the time. so im wondering why now?? what is so different now?

global push towards democracy usually happens when them big boys need something, none of them gives a fuck about those poor children.

36000 children dies each and every single day from hunger and at the same time some mother****** can spend 245000 pounds on a single bottle of champagne????

FUCK the free world !!!!


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Thanks for posting that. However, as with most things like this, the full story/picture is hard to get.


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http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

http://blog.joerenken.com/2012/03/0...y-2012-exposed/

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/shou...ony-2012-or-not


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all Putin's fault


Really? All you got to say? You're in the wrong thread btw


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Really? All you got to say? You're in the wrong thread btw


you dont want to know what i got to say on this topic, i wanna stay friends with you. I think one argument is more than enough

PS. only in the U S of A....


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Hmmmmmm (found on FB)...

people who are blindly posting this so called "kony 2012 movement" should look at both sides.
► KONY 2012◄ UPDATE - *MUST READ*...

There are ALWAYS two sides to every story. This viral film has caught the attention of many people - but you are all far too late. Watching the Kony video is essentially watching old news. They started filming in 2003, and northern Uganda has been free of LRA violence and war for over five years. In fact, the LRA have signed a peace accord! They are rebuilding and restoring the peace.

Yes - the leader is still out there. However, the recruitment of children has decreased 80%. This isn't due to the Invisible Children organization, it’s because Ugandan military and the ICC have intercepted. The Invisible Children group are trying to pass a bill that allows America to MILITARISE the region.

They are providing 'MISINFORMATION' to woo idealistic followers. The group have combined multiple regional conflicts to make it appear this is one rapidly increasing issue. When confronted about their dodgy tactics, the head spokesperson stated;

“I agree with you that leading people to believe that the war is still happening in Uganda is not ethically right. It's something we've been addressing internally, focusing on getting all staff and supporters on the same page (of communication)."

If you read the news, or even had an ounce of interest in the on-going unrest in Africa you would already know this and not be fooled. Yes, awful things happen to people in 3rd world countries but this has been occurring for centuries, it isn't a recent occurrence.

The following sources are cited (unlike the staff at Invisible Children):

SOURCES: Michael Kirkpatrick, a long-time Independent Global Citizen, he has resided in Uganda and other regions of Africa. He has no political, religious or financial agenda. He wrote this article and gave an in-depth insight to whats really going on. He also questioned important members of Invisible Children about their motives. http://www.blackstarnews.com/news/1...2010-06-02.html

Charity Navigator is a website that breaks down the proceeds and donations given to Invisible Children, and subsequently shows what percentile of that is REALLY going towards these impoverished children. A measly slither of what is going into the founders' pockets. http://www.charitynavigator.org/ind...ary&orgid=12429

I've read an interesting passage from a Northern Ugandan man. However, it is not 100% verified. He advised the Northern Ugandan parliament to list "Invisible Children" as their main priority on their "FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY" list. (See second comment, username Livingstone). http://www.topix.com/forum/city/stu...JSGHMES035Q6OI0

THIS article asking Invisible Children why they were lobbying for sub-standard AND illegal legislation has since been removed and deleted. http://blog.invisiblechildren.com/2...om-lisa-dougan/

ADDITIONALLY - Members of Invisible Children were freely making statements as to what their "allowance" would purchase for *them*. It was on a forum on the official website, and has subsequently also been REMOVED. All these *deletions*...
http://blog.invisiblechildren.com/?p=5901

Another source: : http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/...ganization.html

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