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8Wonders
Arnej



Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Stereo Seperation

This is something that I haven't paid much attention to while listening to tracks but something one eventually comes across when producing.

The more attention I pay to it, the more it seems like there's varying degrees of stereo seperation in the individual layers that make up the tracks. I think it's mostly noticable in the varying percussions. Could anybody actually confirm this or is it just my immagination?

Also does anybody have any tips in creating stereo rich productions in general?

Like is there a general rule for audio seperation as far as drums, synths, etc are concerned?

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Sydney, Australia

Just pan the various sound to each side. Stuff like your main kick or bass line I feal should be centered, but stuff like snares and stuff can be panned. It means there is less congestion of sound


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Musicmaker
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Netherlands

You will also need a stereo spreader. This is applied during the mastering process, and it will widen the stereo image. The software I know of that contain a stereo spreader is Ozone from Izotope, Waves Native Gold Bundle, and I believe the PSP stereopack contains it.

www.izotope.com

www.waves.com

www.pspaudioware.com

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8Wonders
Arnej



Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada

Yeah i've got the software, that isn't really the issue, its the usage

I think i've got a pretty good idea of what to do now.

As far as centering basslines goes, I noticed that some tracks have really wide basslines, for example the latest Push proudction, actually Solar Factor.

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Theotrope
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Edmonton

Yeah I can hear what you're talking about as far as depanning
to a degree... It's a priority thing to me.. usually the most important sounds sit right in the middle.

If youre using really deep conga drums to embellish the beat, you pretty much have to pan them out of center, or else it will get muddy

same goes with hihats versus trance leads(usually) you dont want the hihats gunking up the lead so you have to do a bit of stereo seperation on them.


as far as bassline goes.. I recall someone in another thread mentioning a lot of pan FX on low frequency stuff(such as bass and kick) can make the stylus skip, and that its a no-no.


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Arty
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Registered: Jun 2002
Location: Edinburgh, UK

The human ear can't actually tell where bass sounds are coming from anyway, they just surround you, so there's little point in panning them. It just either makes the bass quieter or overloads whichever speaker you decide to pick on. If the bass noises have a mid-range element to them as well then separate the bass and mid and just pan the mid if you want to pan it.

Another thing to remember about stereo: It's not like having 2 separate sound sources - they combine to make noises appear to come from anywhere in between them. For example, if a sound is played equally by both speakers then it doesn't sound like both speakers are playing the sound, it sounds like it's coming from in between them (unless you get close to one speaker). You can position things all accross the stereo spectrum, which creates more room than panning everything as wide as possible.

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Floorfiller
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Registered: Apr 2002
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ok maybe i'm a little confused here, but doesn't it just have to do with the frequencies that sounds sit on. i mean you can't have an entire song sitting in the low frequences. so are we talking about something else or what. my advice would be to balance the range of the song with low, middle, and high sounds that naturally will separate the sounds. and as for similar sounds don't you just shorten the frequency that they are on so that they don't overlap? i don't know maybe i'm just lost here.

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Originally posted by DJSound
if it the same freq. then you seperate them giving them each thier own space......(ie. left and right) thats if the sound is so good you cant change it...


ahhhh i see hehehe.

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