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Bad Science: Stranger Than Fiction (A thread about Sodium or ... maybe more)

I am ignorant and only claim to assume just enough to know you're an idiot for following a 'low-sodium' diet, dude. You need Sodium. Am I wrong? any professional nutritionists/dieticians (politically-corret or simply, 'pc-people') in this forum with the background to debate this. My opinion is that Sodium and Potassium are necessary because they are incredibly helpful in aiding electrochemical processes in the thalamus.

At the same time, I'm concerned that at the cardiovascular level you might be at a loss with a sodium-rich diet.

Any thoughts, dear?


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The ethnic group with the lowest (healthy) blood pressure in the world is the Yanomano Indians. They also happen to consume a diet extremely low in sodium. Apparently the body avoids hyponatremia by increasing release of aldosterone and other hormones in order to retain electrolytes. Populations with very high sodium intakes (Portugal, Japan) also have high stroke rates.

On the other hand, some studies seem to suggest that it is more the ratio of potassium to sodium than the amount of sodium itself that is important to cardiovascular health. It's kind of hard to study the long-term effects because the few populations left with universally low sodium intake or high potassium to sodium ratios tend not to be very long-lived for reasons unrelated to electrolyte intake or cardiovascular mortality: infectious disease, war, and other factors related to their marginalization and low technological development. Most people in the "developed" world will not get a potassium to sodium ratio of 1:1 or greater unless they deliberately cut their salt intake or consume an atypically large amount of fruits and vegetables.

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Of course you need sodium and potassium. In healthy people there are processes going on all the time that regulate fluid and electrolyte balance (namely, the renin-angiotnesin-adosterone system involving the kidneys, and the sodium-potassium pump involving the cells themselves).

A low sodium diet isn't going to have any negative effects, unless a person becomes critically ill and/or has some disease process going on and thus, cannot maintain homeostasis.

The kind of thing you're talking about is just kind of irrelevant on the grand scale. However, like JBJ said, over time a diet HIGH in sodium will have negative effects.


When patients present with something like hyponatremia, it's usually because they're already sick because of something else - electrolyte imbalances are clinical symptoms of bigger disease processes, not the cause themselves. Well, not usually.

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diet is easy. Just eat some fruits and a lot of vegetables with one serving of meat a day. add exercise and you'll be normal weight. If youre in your late 20's dont bother trying to bulk up your metablosim will most likely slow down soon and you will turn into a fat ass if you can't find the time to maintain.


just Eat clean! no sauces fat asses


you don't have to count calories or count sodium intake. Just don't be afraid to cook for yourself and eat normal portions. You're no longer a little growing boy. You don't need half the food you probably eat

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If youre in your late 20's dont bother trying to bulk up your metablosim will most likely slow down soon and you will turn into a fat ass if you can't find the time to maintain.

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watch this documentary, this is the proper way to do things:


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Sodium is in everything so much so it would be easier to list what it's not in. It would be difficult to remove it completely from your diet. Worrying about getting enough is like women afraid of developing muscles if she touches anything in the weight room.

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Of course you need sodium and potassium. In healthy people there are processes going on all the time that regulate fluid and electrolyte balance (namely, the renin-angiotnesin-adosterone system involving the kidneys, and the sodium-potassium pump involving the cells themselves).

A low sodium diet isn't going to have any negative effects, unless a person becomes critically ill and/or has some disease process going on and thus, cannot maintain homeostasis.

The kind of thing you're talking about is just kind of irrelevant on the grand scale. However, like JBJ said, over time a diet HIGH in sodium will have negative effects.


When patients present with something like hyponatremia, it's usually because they're already sick because of something else - electrolyte imbalances are clinical symptoms of bigger disease processes, not the cause themselves. Well, not usually.


what the fuck do you know about anything?

keep your fucking mouth shut, you expert wannabe.

someone should fucking slap the shit out of you.

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Well, she is a nurse, so she should know at least something about it. Me, I just got a bit obsessed with nutrition for a while and read a bunch of stuff on the Internet.

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Did somebody fart?

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I did it.

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Yes you need sodium- no question-- just not too much of it.

With regards to hyponatremia-- this reminded me of that one lady who died drinking too much water trying to win a Wii.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16614865/...t/#.VNaYSim9blI

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