No´concrete debate on Afghanista, Iraq Israel or some other conflict. Just a genereal question, theoretically: when is there need for violence, when is war inevitable, legitimate and justified ?

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when the economy's in a slump and elections are coming up? or how about if that country has a lot of oil that you want...

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Last edited by ABTsportsline on Oct-31-2002 at 04:25

Damn it I forgot to add "serious" to "general discussion"

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ducking non existence of the "edit" button: i am aware of your sarcastic pisstake of certain america-critics, though

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It shoud work again, the edit button

I have given this a lot of thought, and I honestly don't think there is a universal criteria you can apply to any situation to see to what extent war is justified. There are simply too many factors that merit consideration.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant ducking non existence of the "edit" button: i am aware of your sarcastic pisstake of certain america-critics, though

exxxxxx-actly!

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if you get attacked, war is justified. if someone comes a-knocking on your door, and tries to kill you + family, you are ok to defend yourself

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While it differs from case to case the only real reason I consider war justifiable is if you've been attacked, or the country your at war with has violated some major treaty, or is funding, or participating in activities that you have proof, can put the country at risk.

When the interests of your nation are in danger and all forms of diplomacy have failed.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant No´concrete debate on Afghanista, Iraq Israel or some other conflict. Just a genereal question, theoretically: when is there need for violence, when is war inevitable, legitimate and justified ?

as a general rule, when your attacked, or one of your allies have been attacked, there are exceptions, genocide, madmen building nukes, invasions of soverign nations and some others.

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war can always be justified, there is seldom good versus bad in war.

Except in cases of oppression as a result of imperialism.

Under the United Nations Charter all people have the right to self determination. Invariably people have to fight to get self determination, its seldom given voluntarily.

To put it in concrete rather than abstract terms, I will give an example:

A slave will always be a slave until he takes action to remove the chains. The chains dont get removed by asking nicely, they get removed by killing the slave master.