Yes, Joel, I know you lurk, hence the clickbait, but it's at least partially true.

Many artists have now petitioned the US gove to change copyright law as it related to digital content, and more specifically update the Millennium digital rights act of 2000.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/1/11...lera-katy-perry

Personally, I agree - Youtube is one giant copyright clusterfuck and as I've said in those other posts, the reason Hurley, Ched and Karim GTFO and sold it was because they knew they were going to end up in court, if not jail unless the big guns took it over - guys with enough pull to deal with the major labels.

I know artists who are pissed that things like Vevo deals got done in which they didn't see a penny yet the label and Youtube made a nice stack off it.

As much i I'll admit, I love being able to type in any track and find it on youtube, it's a complete breach of rights for the owner, and artists, especially smaller ones have been forced to accept the "oh well, it's exposure" mantra.

I think google will fight it tooth claw and nail, but unless they start generating royalties from plays for the artists (and a lot more than spotify's criminal payouts) I don't see how it can keep operating if the laws change.

Culture is a fundamental right and should be accessible to all citizens of our planet.

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I would like to see full ownership being put in the hands of the artist again. As soon as you're signed to a copyright collector you are not allowed to give your music away for free any more in most countries, yet if you don't you'll be missing out on a part of income from views/streams/downloads/cd-compilations etc.

And yes, it is weird to see a Youtube get away with tons of shit where Soundcloud and others are obviously struggling. Spotfiy, Tidal, etc.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

And where is that money supposed to come from? It took Google a decade to get Youtube to just yearly break even - overall it's still billions and billions in the red. There's a reason why nobody's trying to make a Youtube clone - it's not financially viable. If Google's empire ever starts crumbling, Youtube is probably one of the first things to get cut or downsized, especially if the laws change.

Spotify etc. aren't making money either. Artists keep complaining about Spotify's low payouts but they are paying around 70% of their total! revenue in copyright payments. The real issue is, most people don't want to pay for premium and even if, not more than 10 bucks a month. In adddition to that, the revenue is getting split much more than traditional Radio. Of course big artists are complaining when they suddenly have to compete with the little guys.

If you want all your music deleted on Youtube it's not very hard - if you are a small artist file a bunch of claims and if you are a big one just hire someone. But it's not going to help anyone.

So what's their plan? Getting Youtube and Spotify shutdown isn't suddenly going to make music on the internet valuable again. People don't want to pay, they don't view music as a valuable commodity - it's that simple. If you remove the easy ways of accessing your music, they aren't suddenly going to buy it, they're just going to stop listening to it. IIRC, Japan put draconian copyright laws into place and it just made music sales fall even more rapidly.

It's all EXACTLY like that Southpark episode where Canada wants more money from the internet.

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I think moving forward music has to be available, full length, and high quality, on youtube, soundcloud, spotify, etc. Should probably be downloadable for free too. Reason being, it is going to be one way or the other.

I think there are plenty of ways people could be making money off their music, other than selling per song. Markets change, and instead of fighting it I think the most innovative figure out the new way to make money. Take printers for example, someone down the line figured out it was better to sell the printer cheap and the ink high. New opportunities come up constantly. But as Peter Theil says, the next Bill Gates isn't going to create Microsoft but rather something you've never heard of. I think people in the arts tend to be idealists and stuck in how they think it should be, rather than get down to what works.

Here's an idea I came up with just while writing this:

You are a major EDM label. You are really worried about money apparently. Sell 500$ 30 minute slots with the head A&R to talk to producers and give feedback on their music. 10 of those a week is 5,000 dollars a week for 5 hours work. In a round about way, you are recouping the money from your label's singles because they are the advertisement for your label that is getting people to want to pay for such a service in the first place.

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Major labels have attempted to remove their content but users just re upload the entire catalog and the take downs are slow enough that you pretty much have he catalog and the label makes nothing.

YouTube was fine when they tried this. They have the labels by the clit. Only public exposure will change the outcome.

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if you notice, a lot of dance labels put their stuff up for free - full length tracks.

yet these fuckers that make millions are trying to pull them down. greedy whores. i guess its a matter of promotion. one needs it, the other doesn't.

but couldn't care less about those big artists/labels complaining. yet another example of deluded backwards thinking that's going to come round and fuck them in the arse.

isn't youtube just napster for todays kids?

embrace it or get shafted. of course, they will try to amend laws in their favour before that, but something else will just pop up if they get their way. meanwhile, they have semen leaking out their buttholes.

Most people will pay for music if the price is right but you will always have people who want everything for free

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It's true that some people will always want something for free, but when you make the high quality product, incredibly easy to access and at a price where the time spent trying to obtain it illegal is negated, you push most people just buy it.

Bear in mind there are some people who will never buy music - they're either too cheap (regardless of cost) or too poor (i.e. Thurd world where a $1 is a day's pay) and in essence, they are nvere going to be a customer anyway, so there's no loss as such from them pirating it.


Essentially, if music was available cheap (like cents per stream listen or $1 per track) and readily available through a fast and reliable portal and that money went mostly to the artists, then problem solved.

The market is in the middle ground. Teens, young adults, adults who are just lazy to buy it.

I know I've posted this before, but one of the truly perfect examples of killing one form of piracy is the Satellite TV industry.

You used to be able to buy a $100 linux based box, a $20 card programmer and load an EMU of the current sat code. 500+ channels, all PPV etc. It would go down once a month but 24 hours later you were back up and running.

millions of people were doing it so the sat companies, changed the cards to ones where the could roll the codes several times a day nd legit subscribers would have no problems.

With the dodgy boxes, It got to the point you were having to flash the card 3 or 4 times a day and even then it mght have changed again by the time it had updated.

At the same time, the Sat companies started doing cheaper packages with more choice on channels.

It got the point the box was so much hassle and the offerings from cable and sat were getting so cheap it just wasn't worth it.

The sat companies then forced the DOJ to to do a few very high profile busts on the coders who were facing serious fed jail time and before you know it, the entire box industry died overnight. None of the coders or the forum admins were going to risk jail for free TV, and it became such hard work that all the users just packed it in.

There's still some guys that have persevered bt honestly, they'll never buy a subscription anyway so that was and is never a customer anyway.

With music, if they flooded the forums and youtube with bad qualityprtial rips of tracks, did tons of take downs for anything decent, loudly prosecuted some sites for allowing free downloads and/or got heavy with youtube etc, and finally made music cheap and available, it would negate the vast majority of music piracy, or pseudo legit services/sites like Youtube or Spotify.

hmm not the best analogy, I know a lot of people who'd never pay for sky etc as its just way to expensive, proper package would cost over €1000 a year - plenty still going the cardsharing route

big difference in that and €120 a year for Spotify

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Originally posted by evo8 hmm not the best analogy, I know a lot of people who'd never pay for sky etc as its just way to expensive, proper package would cost over €1000 a year - plenty still going the cardsharing route big difference in that and €120 a year for Spotify

Cardsharing is all but over, and SkyUK is just slow to catch up because the costs are huge and the users relatively low. It took them 10 years to roll out the HD boxes to everyone. All they have to do is card swap to the latest Nagra version, like they did in the ISA and you're fucked.

IKS is also a big risk - you have to pay for it meaning your details are logged as paying for an illegal service. Also, if the line goes down, good luck on a refund, and what if they get busted? By law they have to hand over the user base.....which is ted to your ISP.

The USA were able to do it faster as there's more incentive and the DOJ are way more militant about it - most casual ISK/cardsharers just decided it's not worth the risk.

Smae will happen to the UK. By 2017, Cardsharing will be done. The sta companies have figure out a way to make piracy too high a risk for too small a return.

Sure, they'll always be some die hards who even do do it for the fuck you to Sky or cable companies, but the average user? No way.

EDIT: I just had a look and it seems the UK lost all HD back in January? So now it's only SD?